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Posted by: Aussies_Online (Guest), July 4, 2006, 3:26am
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Experts' solution to traffic tax: pay when it's busy

A CITY-WIDE tolling system that charges motorists for using main roads at the busiest times of day has been proposed as a radical solution to Sydney's traffic nightmare.

Although politicians and motorists reject a London-style congestion tax, experts yesterday said variable tolling on arterial roads could be the only way to fix the city's gridlock.

The satellite technology that would enable it is around the corner, while peak-period tolling is already operating in several overseas cities to discourage drivers.

Peter Stopher, a professor of transport planning at the University of Sydney, said a city-wide charge would be more effective than a CBD congestion tax.

"What we would do is charge people according to how much they're driving, where and when," said Professor Stopher, of the Institute of Transport Studies.

Under the plan, road use would be measured by satellites and motorists would be tolled for driving in peak hour along congested routes such as Parramatta Road.

Professor Stopher said the technology, which combined the global positioning system and odometers, was "about 90 to 95 per cent there". He has applied for an Australian Research Council grant to conduct testing. "I don't think it would be hugely expensive," he said.

A similar plan has been proposed by Dr Garry Glazebrook, a transport consultant and academic at the University of Technology, Sydney. Dr Glazebrook recently said the first step towards such a scheme could be to introduce a CBD cordon whereby motorists passing one of 18 entry points are charged $6. This could be followed by a GPS-based tolling system covering all roads.

The Sydney-wide plan was supported by David Brown, of the Australian Institute of Traffic Planning and Management, who said it could be an effective traffic management tool if it were to be used for policy, not profit.

The technology could also target congestion outside peak hours - such as Bondi's Campbell Parade on Saturday mornings.

But it would be a mistake to think tolls would make motorists abandon their cars for public transport, Mr Brown said. "It is not just the decadent joy of private motorists. Often you don't have an alternative."

The president of the NRMA, Alan Evans, said motorists were already charged enough, with existing toll roads acting as a proxy congestion tax. He said the city needed better roads planning and public transport. "People don't drive along Victoria Road for the fun of it," he said.

A shorter-term option would be to introduce an off-peak rate for existing tollways, thereby encouraging drivers to travel outside the rush - an option endorsed by the Roads Minister, Eric Roozendaal.

"I'd certainly favour a discounted toll in the off-peak to offer people an incentive," Mr Roozendaal said.

* Meanwhile, Mr Roozendaal and the Opposition transport spokesman, Barry O'Farrell, ruled out a CBD congestion tax even though a 2000 RTA report found public support.

The Lord Mayor of Sydney, Clover Moore, said Sydney could not adopt a London-style charge because it lacked an adequate public transport system to complement it.

"I think it's really worked well for London ... [public transport] is clearly a real priority for them and so they can tell people not to drive into the centre of the city," Cr Moore said. "But we aren't in that same situation ... we don't have a good public transport system."

The chief executive of the Sydney Chamber of Commerce, Margy Osmond, said 93 per cent of Sydneysiders surveyed in a street poll last month opposed the introduction of a congestion tax.

She said a study by the London Chamber of Commerce had found retailers were suffering as a result of the tax there, and called on the State Government to invest more in public transport to fix Sydney roads. "A congestion tax would be a disaster for businesses and residents, and would do nothing to address the underlying cause of congestion," Ms Osmond said.

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Posted by: Mal Function, July 4, 2006, 8:46am; Reply: 1
urgh , that sounds pretty bad to me .

if they'd planned their roads systems properly in the first place , considering population growth ( hello )  towards the future ( and i mean many many decades..and start big - not modify width later on ), they might not have a prob, or at least as big as it is.

always amazes me why they don't seem to , or simply can't think ahead in this area, im mean, it's one of the biggest planning things that should've happened before sticking up any more houses in the potentual future routes.

not that familiar with Sydney myself ( driven in some parts - but i mean from available space perpective), but i've heard it's extremely dense now for any new major arterial roads to pop up in the inner and outer suburbs ....would this be right ?

Posted by: Aussies_Online (Guest), July 4, 2006, 1:44pm; Reply: 2
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not that familiar with Sydney myself ( driven in some parts - but i mean from available space perpective), but i've heard it's extremely dense now for any new major arterial roads to pop up in the inner and outer suburbs ....would this be right ?


Yes it is dense alright. Bob Carr started that.
He abolished the idea of the quarter acre block in favour of blocs of units and town houses.

But it is not so much about not being able to build roads.
We have gone around that by digging tunnels.
We now have tollways going all around Sydney.
The problem is that those tolls are too expensive and half of the people cannot afford them. So they stay on the arterial roads.

The other problem, is that despite the tollways, the traffic is still at a stand still. For instance the M4 which goes from the Blue Mountains to Parramatta is cheap at only $2.00 but is bumper against bumper in peak hour. It takes an hour to travel the 35K on it.

Also it seem that the more tollways we get, the more traffic we get.
The traffic in Sydney is worse now than it was 20 years ago before we started to build all the tollways.

It just does not make any sense.
Obviously, the RTA is years behind in its planning.
When it should be years ahead, like you were saying.

It is about governments not wanting to spend money unless they are pushed to do so. The government did not even build any of those tollways. It was all done by the private sector, which is why the tolls are so expensive.

It is the same old story. The government charges us high rates and outrageous stamp duty on housing for the priviledge of living in Sydney. It charge us Road Taxes, Fuel Taxes. Raise revenue through speed cameras.

And what do we get in return? Nothing.
Where does the money go? No idea.





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