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Australian Senator, Stephen Conroy, is set to introduce mandatory Internet filtering in 2008. This petition has been organised to put an end to the filtering in Australia, before it begins! Existing reports (some even conducted by the Australian Government) show that ISPs and customers will be forced to pay if mandatory filtering is introduced. http://petitions.takingitglobal.org/oznetcensorship |
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It is the saddest of days when the government has to legislate something that individuals should be doing within their own consciences, both moral and ethical. If people would not make a market for rubbish to view then makers of that same junk would be out of business. Society has reached new and absolute lows. No wonder women and children can no longer walk the streets safely, there is no longer anything that is considered 'obscene' or 'immoral' . . just individual freedoms that mean more legislation and law enforcement time.  |
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Their's plenty that's considered 'obscene' or 'immoral', and parents should take some responsibility for what their kids have access to, that's what this is all over. |
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I won't be signing the petition. Perhaps if people had morals and parents monitored their kids, we'd not have to censor the internet?  |
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Quoted from Paula
Perhaps if people had morals and parents monitored their kids, we'd not have to censor the internet? 
When information is being filtered how do you know where it stops? Information is power remember. |
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Their's plenty that's considered 'obscene' or 'immoral', and parents should take some responsibility for what their kids have access to, that's what this is all over.
Parents are having their rights undermined more by the day.  They are 'advised' to protect their children from - drowning in the pool, getting hit by cars on the road, TV shows that have low standards and even that cough medicine is now dangerous. There are now so many dangers that must be dealt with by poor, overworked parents that it is no wonder we have the spectacle of a 16y/o boy who has a party that turns Victoria on its head.  Look at the media frenzy where that kid is offered contracts for his story, jobs to 'M.C' at parties and media contracts . . all while he is a minor who needs parental consent for everything he does. If 'filtering' can be done successfully, then it should start with the sites that need pulling down. BUT who will be the judge of such things? What I view to be porn, somebody else will euphemistically call 'art' . . and it slips through the (moral) cracks. The internet has opened Pandoras Box and it can't be closed now. |
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Their's plenty that's considered 'obscene' or 'immoral', and parents should take some responsibility for what their kids have access to, that's what this is all over.
So many parents do not act responsibly when it comes to watching/disciplining/ teaching/controlling their kids. They want the 'rest of the world' to do so.... The Police, the Teachers, the Government, the Court System, the Penitentiary their kid eventually gets thrown into (maybe I went too far) but you get my point. Why should all users of the Internet have to be prevented from having full use of the Internet because of what a minority do? I will access my computer several times a day in doing research. Mind you I don't go to 'Adult websites' but feel that if people want to curtail the use of such sites by a member of their family then lock the PC away when you aren't there to watch them, in the boot of the car might be a good place  Don't have a wireless network in the house and only have internet access on PC's in the living areas where everyone can see. |
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Aren't are enough FREE internet censorship programs out there that the government's going ahead spending MILLIONS (lord only knows how  ) on this ridiculous internet censorship scheme?  |
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Dara |
| February 27, 2008, 3:36pm |
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OMFG! It will be hacked anyway what a waste. CENSORING! NOO |
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The Nanny |
| February 27, 2008, 10:48pm |
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I'm angry that they're doing this!!! CENSORSHIP sucks! But i'll think I'll manage!!  |
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Aren't are enough FREE internet censorship programs out there that the government's going ahead spending MILLIONS (lord only knows how  ) on this ridiculous internet censorship scheme? 
Thats exactly right. It just fluffy totalitarianism. Governments job shouldn't be censorship of free speech. It slowly erodes the fabric of a healthy democracy. |
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I really hadn't thought about the expense involved. I had originally thought that the debate about this issue came down to weather or not it should be implemented as something that people have to call their ISP to opt out of, or something that people have to call their ISP to opt in to... and then of course if it should be done at all as Aquamonkey mentioned for the obvious reason of what gets censored and by who and can we ever trust that process not to be abused. It's much less of a problem for people when they hear that they can call their ISP and opt out of the filtering, though on that particular matter I think that if we are going to use it despite having, as mentioned by Silly, very good free and even open source filtering software that can be implemented at home, then there's no questiong that IF we MUST have filtering AT ALL, then it should be something people have to opt in to. I understand there's good argument that lots of people are not skilled enough to install or maintain software that does it on their home computer, and I agree with from some very frustrating first hand experiences, but it isn't really something that I have put on my connection at my ISP unless I want it. My personal opinion on it is that... I think it should be consumer based, such that ISP's would offer it out of a supply and demand based scenario and not by government regulation. I think it's crap that I wouldn't have known about it if I hadn't read about it from other people on the internet, and information being power perhaps this sort of thread we are in right now discussing it will be filtered one day, much like the United States allegedly changing the Wikipedia. On the forum where I first read about this, someone threw into the discussion that a user from the UK who used the forum from school had entire pages blocked, and they get built on the fly as new posts are made so it happens quicker than they can get indexed by not so intelligent software, because of words like 'sex' and 'vagina' and whatnot. Ultimately we're dealing with a combination of software that makes mistakes and people who have agendas. What happens when a site is blacklisted? How long does it take for it to get reviewed by a person? Is there compensation that will be owed as the result of an unwarranted blacklisting? If not, is that fair if my business is an online store? More questions that aren't addressed but very real problems. It should be an opt in agreement, and consumers should be made aware of possible mistakes. That covers all the bases except for the whole TAMPERING WITH FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND EXPRESSION issue, not to mention the enormous possibility for abuse. We have to protect ourselves from terrorists afterall  The bottom line for me is that if you aren't capbable of setting up software on your own computer to do this and you want to then you can pay someone else, and if your ISP offers it then you can pay them... but why the hell should I have to pay for you? If you ask nicely I might set it up for you though  I should also point out that there's really nothing at all suggesting that filtering methods employed by ISP's will be any more or less effective than any software any other consumer can use. |
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| October 31, 2008, 11:43pm |
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| November 14, 2008, 2:54am |
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Now there's talk of blocking sites like youtube, facebook, myspace and other video or social networking sites as the content can't be controlled. Also senators representing special interest groups want porn, online gambling, sites with information on things like anorexia, politically active sites etc banned. They haven't even started the trials and they're talking of this!!  |
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aquamonkey |
| November 14, 2008, 8:40am |
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politically active sites etc banned.
Shouldn't be long now before the pinkos are locking people up for speaking out |
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