Much of that is true . . sadly . .   . .aboriginal elders are at their wits end to know what to do to stop the kids from becoming hopeless bums.
Most do acknowledge that the tribes themselves have to act . . it is not all the white mans problem.

It is akin to 'cutting off your nose to spite your face' . . and the result for aboriginal people could be racial extinction.     or total loss of thousands of years of culture.

Could it be that their culture was not strong enough to survive the onslaughts of the modern world??. . it looks that way.

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and i suppose Paula will say that the aboriginal kids deserve more government funding than white kids because thay are decendents of the stolen generation and that thay should be allowed to break into peoples houses because there poor hard done by aboriginals or maby she will say that white people commit crimes too you now which is very true but not 85%of them

Well that's just where you are wrong!  I've never condoned criminal activity, nor am I a racist.  I believe that everyone is equal (and should be treated as such).  All I did was to point out some inaccuracies (according to your own data) in your argument.

The aboriginal culture that came across the Anglo settlement was one of communism – everything held in joint ownership and everyone worked for the common benefit.  Some of this cultural heritage is still evident today in many remote Aboriginal communities.  However, this cultural ethos is struggling in the middle of a society that emphasises individualism and selfishness – the two are definitely not compatible.

Generally they have tried hard to weed out the bad elements, as does every community.  They have even gone further than most communities would, such as non alcoholic zones, but still problems persist.

This is not an easy situation and there is no one-fix solution.  The best I can do is be less critical and more support of their efforts to regain some form of community self-esteem enjoyed by their ancestors.

Once you respect and believe in yourself, the less likely you are to engage in antisocial behaviour.

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Well that's just where you are wrong!  I've never condoned criminal activity, nor am I a racist.  I believe that everyone is equal (and should be treated as such).  All I did was to point out some inaccuracies (according to your own data) in your argument.

ok then why did you try and say in your perviouse arguments that the aboriginals deserve more than white the stats show the average white mans pay against there welfare what i was trying to say is that on the welfare system they get more than non-indigenous do in the city  well above what i get. They get free housing  and a heap of other extars i live at wits end trying to live a meger exsistance if that is what you want to call it as do a lot of other non-indigenous australians the aborigianls can get loans with sweet f/all intrest rate of 2% how would you like that make your home loan a lot cheaper you then would be able to go and see what is realy going on in the streets  . and by the way to say that aboriginals deservs more than non aboriginals isent that beaig a racest shouldnt everyone be entiteld to the same mabe you would think diferently about things if it was you on the disabilaty pension

I think you better show me where I said that "the aboriginals deserve more than white."  That's not what I said, nor was I insinuating that, nor do I think that.  As for your comment, "what i was trying to say is that on the welfare system they get more than non-indigenous do in the city  well above what i get", then you needed to give precise statistics to prove it.  Those you quoted weren't and that's what I commented on.

Also, as for the disability pension, we (my husband and I) lived on that for 4 years, so I know exactly what it is like.  In fact, he still has that same disabiity and we get no help at all from the government because I choose to work.  We do, however, remember the struggles we had while I was studying in order to gain a better paying job so we wouldn't have to remain on "benefits".

N.B. For those interested or curious my better 1/2 has a condition called diaphyseal aclasis.  Put simply, it's a bone growth disorder.  He's also had complications - cancer.  In 1982 (might have been 1986 - I wasn't around to remember exactly), he had one of the exostoses removed from his leg.  It was found to be cancerous and the cancer had spread to the rest of the bone.  He had 2 choices - have the leg off at the hip or have a bone transplant.  he chose the latter and it was successful.  Unfortunately the frequency of his operations (he's had 100+) to remove the growths has made him unemployable, so at the age of 30 he found himself on the disability pension.

well now im cofuesed who is trying to say im an idoit ive worked all my life as a motor mech i spend a lot of my  time trying to better my self but now cant work because of my mental condition because of medea publicty but why do aborignals get every  thing for nothing and most dont want to better them selves and all they can say feel sorry for me i no nobeter as my grandmoter/father were part of the stolen generation as i was and im white i was taken from my father and placed in a childrens home and abused in always so why dont i get free housing and a cheap loans the government were my custdodons?????????

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well now im cofuesed who is trying to say im an idoit ...

Nobody is saying you're an idiot, steven.

Steven, I'm having trouble trying to understand you.  You express your feeling of being stressed that Aborigines get more welfare payments that you do, and then proceed to provide a link that is sympathetic to Aborigines.  

This is confusing and I’m getting mixed messages here.

well i am confused i work all my life trying to get help but belting my head on brick wall made more sense now i find out that aborignals who went through the same as me get looked after like there royalty and me get sweet f*** all as the government were my custodians  

paula i belive your  husband should be entitled to a disailty pension and if he was aboriginal he would get a disabilty pension even with you working this is what i mean by unfair

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paula i belive your  husband should be entitled to a disailty pension and if he was aboriginal he would get a disabilty pension even with you working this is what i mean by unfair

I disagree.  In my opinion "benefits" are there for those of us that (for whatever reason) are unable to support ourselves.  We can.  Were my husband and I (I sound like the Queen   ) to separate/divorce, then yes he would be entitled to it.  

My husband has just pointed out (rather than him logging on to say this himself & "cop the comments of certain members" - his words - I'll type it for him) that indigenous Australians are permitted to engage in "net fishing", whereas the rest of us are not.  I do find that most infair.

Yeah Paula that is stupid how they can hunt in places and no one else can!

Plus aborigines are allowed to hunt native fauna without restriction and other 'australian' citizens are not. (just my 2 cents worth)

And allowed to claim land as their own after planting KFC bones!

There will not be a 'meeting of the minds' as far as the cultural divide between white and black in this country because of belief systems that each 'worships'.  
When one side bows to 'wind, fire & Earth' . . and the other worships money, military might and TV then somebody will always be a loser . .    and we know who that is at this time.