Today's Tele in a small article on page 2 has retracted it's previous massive headlines of the Rudd story. It was a beat up and worse on the Tele's part is that Kevin Rudd had absolutely nothing to do with at all, he and Bromwyn Bishop were asked to attend the tribute.

Of course I won't expect an apology from aquamonkey for stating this:

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Nice publicity stunt Kev

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... Of course I won't expect an apology from aquamonkey for stating this:

Nor should you.  He posted that in good faith, just as you post what you see/read in the media.

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Nor should you.  He posted that in good faith, just as you post what you see/read in the media.

But I have no hesitation in retracting anything I get wrong and will immediately post a link or quote of a media retraction. Also when I source media reports I always attempt to go to as many sources as I can before posting. I also go to the sites and sources of the target of the media attack. In this case I went to both Sunrise and the Labor Party website (where there was nothing).

This is doubly true for any Murdoch media releases attacking the opposition or in favour of Howard, they have a known history of being right biased and falsely reporting against one and for the other.

I also always attempt to apologise when someone points out I have posted an incorrect fact, but not without first trying to find a counter or opposite information.

If you post something in good faith, you don't need to apologise.  It's up to the press to do that.


(This is said as a Labour voter of some years, just in case I am "accused" of being right-wing again.)

Fair enough Paula and you are right. But there is a lesson there for those who take what the mainstream media state as gospel, especially Murdoch media and the right wing shock jocks.

I was really having a go because aquamonkey not only quoted the Tele but prefaced it with an uncomplimentary dig at Kevin Rudd.

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I was really having a go because aquamonkey not only quoted the Tele but prefaced it with an uncomplimentary dig at Kevin Rudd.

Courtesy ain't one of the strengths of our friends on the right.

Lil Ruddy's been on the campaign trail this morning appearing on breakfast radio and on t.v. One agenda he is pushing is mandatory health checks for children before they start school.

The following I think sums up one of the key differences between Liberal and Labor. When questioned by the host that such a program would cost a lot of money, Rudd responded by saying it's about the future well-being of Australian children, not dollars and cents.

Whereas the Liberals would be saying this would cost x amount of dollars and would damage the economy and is not feasable.

Children to get health checks under ALP
http://www.thewest.com.au/default.aspx?MenuID=28&ContentID=25721

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"Investing early in a young person's life, in their education, in their health opportunities is the best place to spend the taxpayers' dollar," Mr Rudd told reporters while announcing the plan in Sydney

Anzac Day reports untrue: Rudd
http://search.smh.com.au/click.....4&n=1&s=rudd*

turns into

Rudd admits gaffe over TV dawn service in Vietnam
http://search.smh.com.au/click.....4&n=1&s=rudd*

Which leads to one of my favourite quotes "Sooner or later, the day comes when you can't hide from the things that you've done anymore."


* News reports are provided by the Sydney Morning Herald since the telegraph reports so many untruths

Did you bother to fully read that news report?

...and by the way Joe Hockey this morning fully backed Kevin Rudd.

Read this Australian piece in full. It it no way impugns Rudd as Jo Hockey pointed out (yet Abbott is still trying to do). It just boils down to Rudd not getting one email from a Veterans group making their reservations about what was being planned known. In the end when it was explained what was happening they had no problems with it as long as Adam Boland reflected on the war dead.

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Anzac Day reports untrue: Rudd
http://search.smh.com.au/click.....4&n=1&s=rudd*

turns into

Rudd admits gaffe over TV dawn service in Vietnam
http://search.smh.com.au/click.....4&n=1&s=rudd*

Is this the biggest rock you can find to throw at Lil Ruddy?  

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Is this the biggest rock you can find to throw at Lil Ruddy?  

Given he was quick on the spot claiming he had absolutely no information on the subject on Sunday, now there were travel arrangements in place but nothing concrete, there were emails which may not have been personally viewed (problem with emails is you can't put the computer through the shredder!), it's quite a nice rock. And if the situation were reversed and Johnie was in the spotlight a few people here would be screaming about it.

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Given he was quick on the spot claiming he had absolutely no information on the subject on Sunday, now there were travel arrangements in place but nothing concrete, there were emails which may not have been personally viewed (problem with emails is you can't put the computer through the shredder!), it's quite a nice rock. And if the situation were reversed and Johnie was in the spotlight a few people here would be screaming about it.

Johnny's faux-pas are so much bigger. I've had so much practice that I could probably take a fly out from 10 metres!

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Johnny's faux-pas are so much bigger. I've had so much practice that I could probably take a fly out from 10 metres!

Again I am not saying they are not, I am pointing out the issue involving Rudd, Rudd fiercly denying it and then Rudd turning around and saying he may have been going, but he's not sure and that they did recieve an email that seems to have been (conveniently) overlooked. And to me it's sounds odd at this point his defence being the amount of emails his office recieves. My office receives a great deal as well.

If John-John was in the same position people on this forum would be screaming murder and you know it. Can you smell the corruption or is it limited to who's corruption it happens to be?

John Howard and many of ministers have used the email excuse many times over the years.

You are making a mountain out of a molehill and clutching at straws. As Jo Hockey said this morning, it is no big deal and its time to move on, and that Kevin Rudd has done nothing untoward. It is purely a right wing media beat up. Notice that Howard is keeping well out of it and so far the only minister to have said anything is Abbott on Today this morning. Not even Costello who jumps in with both feet on anything Rudd related is silent but especially Downer who will denigrate any Labor minister but especially his old enemy, whether there are facts to back him up or not, has kept quiet.

Don't forget that Jo Hockey and then Bromwyn Bishop when Jo couldn't make it were also going along, so how come there is nothing about them in the media?

There is nothing to this as much as you keep trying to blow it up, whereas Howard's discretions (Children Overboard, AWB, Iraq etc.) have been monumental.