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Missing woman's ex has 'left the country' - family
Glenis Green
June 20, 2008 11:40am


THE estranged husband of a missing Hervey Bay woman has left Australia, say her family who are appealing worldwide for details of his whereabouts.

Police would neither confirm nor deny this morning that Richard Giardina had left the country but friends said his last known destination was the United Arab Emirates.

Friends and family have been using social internet networking site Facebook to appeal for information about missing Hervey Bay pet-groomer Lisa Maree Keem, 33.

This morning they had posted an item which said: "Family requests that can everyone please share this group to any known persons in Dubai etc. Her ex-husband has fled the country and last known destination is United Arab Emirates."

The badly burnt body of a woman, now believed to be Ms Keem, was found in Maria River State Forest by a passing bushwalker last Sunday, but the possible link to Ms Keem was  revealed only to family late on Wednesday.

Ms Keem vanished from her Hervey Bay esplanade home on Saturday afternoon after finishing work and doing some shopping.

Her house was left locked with her vehicle outside and her three small dogs were left without food or water.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23893942-952,00.html


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I see that Schapple Corby TV special is on tonight called "The Hidden Truth". Though there is all that hype today in the press, that Schappelle is suffering from depression. I am not 100% sure if this is true or it's just publicity to watch tonight's program.  
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Three die in axe frenzy  June 30, 2008 03:24pm

UPDATE: A WOMAN and two children are dead and a siege is under way after a horrific axe attack in the central western NSW town of Cowra.

A NSW Ambulance service spokeswoman said she had not been advised of the ages of the victims or the sex of the two children.

A fourth person has been taken to Cowra Hospital suffering serious head injuries and the scene of the axe attack, in Brougham Street, had now become a "siege situation", she said.

First calls, received at 2.20pm (AEST), said the person had been killed after someone “went berserk” with an axe.

More soon

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,23945749-952,00.html

Cowra is where I was born and raised. My Mum and two of my sisters live there. One sister used to live in the Street where those murders took place. I just conveyed this breaking news to my Mum. In the semicare home where she lives she said that a nurse came around and checked her door and windows were locked. The nurse left without actually locking the window so Mum locked it
One news report said the off duty police woman's (the injured person) mother and her two children were killed (ie: the murdered woman's grand children). Another report adds that one child is in care after their school day was interrupted. The public school where I went to Infants and Primary school is in the same street as the murders. It is one street back from the Main Street (Kendall Street) One report is saying there is a seige and another is saying he has escaped in a silver car and headed for Newcastle?!?

Channel 10 news just announced the perpetrator could be a 70 year old man. That would mean the older woman’s husband, the children’s grandfather is the person of interest. Twenty five years ago he was 55, young enough to have committed the earlier axe murders, just a thought. They better catch him quickly. He may even be in possession of a firearm. I would have to know these people. I feel sick.


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Unbelievable....I have had holiday in COWRA, its a beautiful and friendly country town. The history of the  Prisoners-of-War Camp/Japanese Gardens and cemetery and the early pioneers is fascinating.
So sad for that police family....they must live every day coping with violence from the public but to have have someone in their own family attack them....(well I can't think how to describe how that would feel)
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Cowra Council Mayor Bruce Miller said Senior Constable Shelley Walsh was attacked with an axe at the Brougham St property about 2pm today.
Her young son and daughter, and elderly mother, did not survive the attack and police are now seeking her father, John Walsh, Mr Miller said.

"I can confirm that the officer injured was in fact Senior Constable Shelley Walsh," Mr Miller told AAP.

"Her children are a boy and a girl who have been found dead. A boy aged seven and a girl aged five. And it's her mother who has also been found dead."

He said the Cowra community would "battle" to come to terms with the incident over coming days.

"Cowra is a very close-knit community of about 10,000 people," he said.

"We do all look out for each other and any incident that affects children is especially harsh."

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23946806-5001021,00.html

Bruce Miller is my brother-in-law. He and my sister Anne have been sweethearts since they were 14 and 15 years of age. Married for 40 years.

The axe murderer just must of had a complete mind snap. I recognise him but not personally known to me.



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Grandfather charged with axe murder rampage
Arjun Ramachandran
July 1, 2008 - 10:15AM


A 69-year-old grandfather has been charged with the murder of his wife and two grandchildren after an axe attack at a home in Cowra yesterday.

The man was arrested after a stake-out by police at the Highway Inn Motel in Hay a short time after 8.15pm last night, following a tip-off by the motel's owner who recognised him from the news.

He was questioned by police overnight, and charged this morning with three counts of murder and one count of attempted murder against his daughter, a police officer.

He was refused bail and will face Deniliquin Local Court today.

The man's daughter, a senior constable, ran to her neighbours about 2pm in Cowra yesterday, bleeding from her head and screaming: "Dad's just killed Mum and the two kids."

A 60-year-old woman was later found dead inside the house, along with a seven-year-old boy and a girl, 5.

The 69-year-old man fled the Central West NSW town in his car and checked into the four-star motel in Hay about 6.45pm, ordered breakfast and went to his room, said the motel proprietor, John Whitehead. Police arrested him at 8.15pm after tricking him into opening his door to get his milk for breakfast.


The daughter, 31, was in a stable condition at Nepean Hospital this morning, and her injuries were not considered life threatening, police said.

She had finished her day's work at Parkes police station and had returned home when the attack occurred yesterday. She ran to her neighbours in Brougham Street, bleeding heavily from an axe wound to her head. Neighbour Vince Anderson said he and his wife locked their door behind her, fearing the axeman would try to enter.

"The daughter ran from her place, screaming and knocking on the door to get into her house and Cheryl opened the door and let her in and locked all the house up," Mr Anderson said.

"She said that they're all dead in there, and she's got to ring the police and she got on the phone.

"She had big gash in the side of the head where he hit her, too." Mr Anderson said: "I didn't really know them. They kept pretty quiet to themselves. They were pretty quiet people. They didn't come out much."

Another neighbour, Terry Lovett, described his neighbours as a quiet, retired couple who moved to town about 10 years ago from Sydney.


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Police confirmed that the senior constable's two children were to a serving police officer stationed in Newcastle, who had been on sick report for some time.

"They had been separated for quite some time and she had taken her children back to Cowra to look after her elderly mother," a police source familiar with the family said.

A police spokesman said reports the woman had a third child were incorrect.

"There's no third child," the spokesman said. "I don't know where that rumour came from."

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The murders stunned the small Cowra community, which has long been haunted by the unsolved axe killings of Kathy Holmes, 28, and Georgina Watmore, 24, whose hacked bodies were found in a house after a small party that ended about 3am on April 15, 1987. The two women, who worked together at the Edgell cannery, were killed after the other party-goers had left. The Mayor of Cowra, Bruce Miller, said yesterday that the community of 10,000 was reeling.

http://www.smh.com.au/news/nat.....ullpage#contentSwap1

Another news report says the wife was my age, 52! 52 or 60 is NOT elderly. My mother at 81 is elderly.  
This man deserves the death penalty but since we don't have that here.... lock him up until he dies and is carried out of Prison in a pine box.





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s**t! That is so awful! Omg. Scary :S



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Full in depth coverage of the Cowra axe murders can be found at the following links.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/index/0,,5017577,00.html

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,23970726-5001021,00.html

The mother of the children is recovering well, physically.
I have heard somewhere that the murderer/husband/grandfather has a brain tumour but that could just be another rumour which always accompany news stories like this.  


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Harking back to Post Number 840. This is an update.

Lisa Keem's estranged husband arrested
Michael Wray
July 06, 2008 11:10am

RICHARD Giardina, the estranged husband of Hervey Bay woman Lisa Keem has been arrested in Sydney and charged with her murder.
Detectives from Queensland and New South Wales arrested 39-year-old Richard Giardina at Sydney International Airport when he arrived on a flight from London soon after 6.15am.
He was charged with murder and refused bail to appear in Kogarah Local Court tomorrow.
Queensland Police are expected to apply for his extradition.
Ms Keem, 33, vanished from her home on June 15 after finishing work at her Foxy Furs pet-grooming salon in Pialba.
Her badly burnt body was found in Maria River State Forest, near Kempsey, NSW, a day later.
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This man deserves the death penalty but since we don't have that here.... lock him up until he dies and is carried out of Prison in a pine box.





I thought you were vehemently against the death penalty?

Why are their so many crazies! We should strap this bloke to a missile and fire it at the sun.

I also suggest an axe buyback scheme and mandatory licensing.



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Two weeks ago the Southcoast of NSW was reeling from the Murder-Suicide of a man and his 3 children. Last night his young wife/widow was interviewed on ’60 Minutes’. I found myself very angry with the family for not having the guts to intervene and save those little kids. I know he was a violent man but he was also a bully and a coward. As far as he was concerned he had sole ownership of those children and if he could not have them then no-one was going to. The local police and the children’s protective services have a lot to answer for. The mother said after the police arrested her husband for physically abusing her (just before he took the lives of his children and himself) he rang her from gaol and said ‘the police said I can come home now, come and pick me up’ that’s when I would of packed the kids in the car and gone into hiding putting as much distance between him and me as possible, instead she goes to the local gaol and picks her abuser up and takes him home. She then flees her home leaving him with the children, which she often did. This time he believes he is going to go to gaol for a fair amount of time so he does what so many men who are like him do, kills his children because he does not believe they can live without him and whatever other twisted reasoning he has.  

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Connie Levett
July 7, 2008

GARY POXON killed his three children because he was convinced he could not live without them and they could not live without him, his devastated wife has said, speaking publicly for the first time about the tragedy.

Karen Bell, who described her emotions as "very angry, very hurt, just disgusted", said the murder of her children by her violent husband was his revenge, to make her feel guilty for leaving him - "he was trying to make me feel guilty for the rest of my life, and I do".

The murder-suicide was triggered, she said, because Mr Poxon, 44, feared she would take the children away from him. She had taken out an apprehended violence order, the third one, just days before.

In his suicide note he wrote he couldn't "live without the kids and the kids can't live without me and it's the end", she told 60 Minutes in an interview aired last night. "He thought he was going to lose his kids."

She said: "I feel guilty that I wasn't there to protect my children. Anybody who has a child would know that. You know, that is all you live for … You do everything for them you can. You try to make the best life you can, and they've just been taken away."

The children - Jack, 9, Maddie, 7, and Bon, 18 months - died of carbon monoxide poisoning after their father sealed them in a four-wheel-drive with two hoses running into it. They were found last Friday week, but it is unclear when they died.

"The guy deserves to rot in hell," said Ms Bell's brother-in-law, Alister Haining. "We never thought he would do anything to the kids. We thought he was a doting dad. In public view he was calm with the kids, calm to Karen." He said Ms Bell was "strong and calm" before the children's funeral, to be held in Bega on Wednesday.

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This post could have been put in the ‘Shame shame shame’ or even the ‘Crime and Punishment’ thread also, IMHO.

Stop moaning about priest sex abuse, says Bishop Anthony Fisher
July 16, 2008 01:28pm

PEOPLE should stop "dwelling crankily" on old wounds, Bishop Anthony Fisher said today as he faced questions about the Catholic Church's handling of Melbourne sisters repeatedly raped by a priest.

Emma Foster committed suicide earlier this year at the age of 26, while her sister Katherine drank heavily before being left disabled when hit by a drunk driver in 1999.

Melbourne priest Kevin O'Donnell raped the girls while they were in primary school and died in prison about 10 years ago.

Cardinal George Pell, now the leader of the Catholic Church in Australia, was Melbourne Archbishop when the Foster's complained of the abuse, and they claim he stalled their compensation claim.
The family rejected his offer of compensation in 1998 and spent eight years in a protracted legal battle before negotiating a settlement.

The girls' father Anthony Foster is now on his way to Australia from Britain to seek a personal audience with the Pope and Dr Pell .

He said he would not accept a Papal apology to sexual abuse victims unless the Pope also changed the way the church and its lawyers dealt with those victims.

Bishop Fisher, who is World Youth Day co-ordinator, today said the latest controversy was detracting from the celebrations.

"I think most of Australia was enjoying, delighting in the beauty and goodness of these young people ... rather than dwelling crankily as a few people are doing on old wounds," he said.
"But I would have to say ... the cardinal has led in the church in this country in trying to put in better and better processes to deal for these things so that we get it right and, in the meantime, to do all we can to prevent this happening again and to bring healing and justice to the victims."

Bishop Fisher said he has not spoken to Dr Pell about the Foster matter and said he was not aware of any personal request from the Foster family to meet with him.

"I am convinced that he has done all he can and will continue to receive ... some ways that we might improve processes for the future," he said of Dr Pell.

"We are happy to hear any constructive advice on how we can do this better in the future."

A victims' support group said it was very disturbed by the comments.

"The Catholic Church has a lot to learn about the burden of clergy abuse on the lives of victims, and those who care for them," Advocates for Survivors of Child Abuse director Michael Salter said.

"Emma was raped by a priest whose prolific child sex offences had been overlooked by the Catholic Church for decades.

"Emma spent many years battling depression, anorexia, self-harm and drug abuse before giving up hope."

The grief of her family and friends was overwhelming, he said, and sexual abuse by priests would remain an open wound for as long as senior figures in the Catholic Church continued to minimise its seriousness.

http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,24028844-5001021,00.html
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Lets bend Bish Fisher over, produce a piece of barbed wire and see how long it takes for him to get over it.

Working in the middle of Sydney's CBD I can tell you that WYD08 is not doing much to delight the spirit of "Joe tax payer".




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Wonder if Mr Power a.k.a. Kevin Rudd will take not or if as usual the ALP will have it's little mind made up and nothing will change it

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I DEVOTED six years to carbon accounting, building models for the Australian Greenhouse Office. I am the rocket scientist who wrote the carbon accounting model (FullCAM) that measures Australia's compliance with the Kyoto Protocol, in the land use change and forestry sector.

FullCAM models carbon flows in plants, mulch, debris, soils and agricultural products, using inputs such as climate data, plant physiology and satellite data. I've been following the global warming debate closely for years.

When I started that job in 1999 the evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming seemed pretty good: CO2 is a greenhouse gas, the old ice core data, no other suspects.

The evidence was not conclusive, but why wait until we were certain when it appeared we needed to act quickly? Soon government and the scientific community were working together and lots of science research jobs were created. We scientists had political support, the ear of government, big budgets, and we felt fairly important and useful (well, I did anyway). It was great. We were working to save the planet.

But since 1999 new evidence has seriously weakened the case that carbon emissions are the main cause of global warming, and by 2007 the evidence was pretty conclusive that carbon played only a minor role and was not the main cause of the recent global warming. As Lord Keynes famously said, "When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?"

There has not been a public debate about the causes of global warming and most of the public and our decision makers are not aware of the most basic salient facts:

1. The greenhouse signature is missing. We have been looking and measuring for years, and cannot find it.

Each possible cause of global warming has a different pattern of where in the planet the warming occurs first and the most. The signature of an increased greenhouse effect is a hot spot about 10km up in the atmosphere over the tropics. We have been measuring the atmosphere for decades using radiosondes: weather balloons with thermometers that radio back the temperature as the balloon ascends through the atmosphere. They show no hot spot. Whatsoever.

If there is no hot spot then an increased greenhouse effect is not the cause of global warming. So we know for sure that carbon emissions are not a significant cause of the global warming. If we had found the greenhouse signature then I would be an alarmist again.

When the signature was found to be missing in 2007 (after the latest IPCC report), alarmists objected that maybe the readings of the radiosonde thermometers might not be accurate and maybe the hot spot was there but had gone undetected. Yet hundreds of radiosondes have given the same answer, so statistically it is not possible that they missed the hot spot.

Recently the alarmists have suggested we ignore the radiosonde thermometers, but instead take the radiosonde wind measurements, apply a theory about wind shear, and run the results through their computers to estimate the temperatures. They then say that the results show that we cannot rule out the presence of a hot spot. If you believe that you'd believe anything.

2. There is no evidence to support the idea that carbon emissions cause significant global warming. None. There is plenty of evidence that global warming has occurred, and theory suggests that carbon emissions should raise temperatures (though by how much is hotly disputed) but there are no observations by anyone that implicate carbon emissions as a significant cause of the recent global warming.

3. The satellites that measure the world's temperature all say that the warming trend ended in 2001, and that the temperature has dropped about 0.6C in the past year (to the temperature of 1980). Land-based temperature readings are corrupted by the "urban heat island" effect: urban areas encroaching on thermometer stations warm the micro-climate around the thermometer, due to vegetation changes, concrete, cars, houses. Satellite data is the only temperature data we can trust, but it only goes back to 1979. NASA reports only land-based data, and reports a modest warming trend and recent cooling. The other three global temperature records use a mix of satellite and land measurements, or satellite only, and they all show no warming since 2001 and a recent cooling.

4. The new ice cores show that in the past six global warmings over the past half a million years, the temperature rises occurred on average 800 years before the accompanying rise in atmospheric carbon. Which says something important about which was cause and which was effect.

None of these points are controversial. The alarmist scientists agree with them, though they would dispute their relevance.

The last point was known and past dispute by 2003, yet Al Gore made his movie in 2005 and presented the ice cores as the sole reason for believing that carbon emissions cause global warming. In any other political context our cynical and experienced press corps would surely have called this dishonest and widely questioned the politician's assertion.

Until now the global warming debate has merely been an academic matter of little interest. Now that it matters, we should debate the causes of global warming.

So far that debate has just consisted of a simple sleight of hand: show evidence of global warming, and while the audience is stunned at the implications, simply assert that it is due to carbon emissions.

In the minds of the audience, the evidence that global warming has occurred becomes conflated with the alleged cause, and the audience hasn't noticed that the cause was merely asserted, not proved.

If there really was any evidence that carbon emissions caused global warming, don't you think we would have heard all about it ad nauseam by now?

The world has spent $50 billion on global warming since 1990, and we have not found any actual evidence that carbon emissions cause global warming. Evidence consists of observations made by someone at some time that supports the idea that carbon emissions cause global warming. Computer models and theoretical calculations are not evidence, they are just theory.

What is going to happen over the next decade as global temperatures continue not to rise? The Labor Government is about to deliberately wreck the economy in order to reduce carbon emissions. If the reasons later turn out to be bogus, the electorate is not going to re-elect a Labor government for a long time. When it comes to light that the carbon scare was known to be bogus in 2008, the ALP is going to be regarded as criminally negligent or ideologically stupid for not having seen through it. And if the Liberals support the general thrust of their actions, they will be seen likewise.

The onus should be on those who want to change things to provide evidence for why the changes are necessary. The Australian public is eventually going to have to be told the evidence anyway, so it might as well be told before wrecking the economy.

Dr David Evans was a consultant to the Australian Greenhouse Office from 1999 to 2005.


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“The Labor Government is about to deliberately wreck the economy in order to reduce carbon emissions”

This makes no sense at all, why would the government deliberately undermine its chances of re-election.

Sounds like a lot of claptrap to me.  

Even if the climate is or isn’t changing, oil is going to run out soon anyway, so the sooner we change to alternative fuels the better.  And until then, all that pollution in Sydney, wouldn’t it be nice to go for a jog without inhaling this ugly pollution.  It doesn’t matter about the climate, the air that I breathe now is what concerns me the most, so any reduction in carbon emissions has got to be a good thing.

The campaign to discredit the scientific consensus on climate change looks a lot like the campaign to discredit scientist by the tobacco companies all those years ago.  I smell a rat!

How is it that the media allow climate skeptics to make unsubstantiated and dodgy claims yet overly deride genuine scientific research?  Why do the media give more credence to pseudo science than the real thing?  I suspect they have a less than honorable objective.
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