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As the cars went to the property, one bearded resident yelled: "Dirty b****, f---ing dirty skank."

Aren't people revolting?  I don't care what she's done, there's no need for that.  You can be sure chidren were present.  What kind of example is that?

Exactly !!

Once again , without knowing ALL the facts , the mob have decided she is guilty

What is the mental health of the mother ? Is she impaired ?
Could her child have died accidentally and she was scared and didn't understand what to do ?

There are probably going to be a tragic set of circumstances which have  lead up to this and PERHAPS the mother is deserving of sympathy , as is her child

Until the facts are known , no-one should sit in judgement , especially in such an appalling manner

Yes, the circumstances are even worse than we had imagined!
The family and children were/are known by child services and the dead child was known to be at risk. Terrific. Once more the powers that be have failed miserably in protecting those most precious to us, the children. I don't agree with hurling abuse at someone, even if they deserve it, as I believe she does. Never lower yourself to the perpetrators level! This woman, as her own father said, has three children to three different men. The child was shaken to death. He was kept in the house for up to 10 days after death. The damage to his older sister will be lifelong. She could smell his dead body and she no doubt knew he had died. People like this woman do not deserve to have children in their care. Her partner needs to be charged equally because he did nothing after the toddler died. We as adults have been given the very resposible job of protecting and caring for these babies and children. If we don't protect them, who will?

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... has three children to three different men...  

I don't think that has anything to do with this situation.  It might be that this woman married 3 a*******s who were violent towards her.  Some women never seem to get it right and always choose the jerks.  If anyone should be abused it's the authorities for not acting on the complaints/concerns reported to them.

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First of all.... maybe I should of put quotation marks around the quote from the father of the woman...

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This woman, as her own father said, "has three children to three different men." ......like so

I think it does have a bearing on the character of the woman and since I posted that we have learnt a heck of a lot more about her as a person. I agree DOCS has much to answer for but not every person in her situation kills their child, than goodness. Her mother said she was 'struggling', what exactly does that mean? Struggling... financially, physically, mentally, all of the above? She was a drug addict which would of been the cause of most of her problems IMHO.

Onto the Obituaries. I have posted obits before that were of personalities and characters, not necessarily 'Celebrities' and never found it a problem. I posted regarding Crazy John's death yesterday at 3:12pm and yet here it is in the news thread posted 16 hours later with a note saying

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I debated posting this in the Celebrity obituaries thread, but I don't think he really qualifies.  He was a successful business man rather than a celebrity...

. Looking through the obits I see many posts about deaths of NON celebrities.   I for one do not know why the Obituaries thread was ever put in the Celebrities Boards section.

I agree, Suzi, the Obits colume should be in the News section so everyone of note can be entered, not just celebs.

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I agree, Suzi, the Obits colume should be in the News section so everyone of note can be entered, not just celebs.

Well you coulda moved it?  

Seriously though and from memory, the obituaries thread is a mish mash of separate posts about those that died.  It was made into an obituaries thread when Gizmo suggested it and the individual threads (all in the celebrities section) were merged.  See post number 23 at:

http://www.ebroadcast.com.au/eblah/m-1129344034/s-all/

I have now moved it, so there won't be any more confusion or doubling up of posts. .

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I think it does have a bearing on the character of the woman

I disagree 100%.  That's like commenting on someone's character if they've been married/divorced more than once.

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She was a drug addict which would of been the cause of most of her problems IMHO.  

That would have certainly been a huge concern.

  

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I don't think that has anything to do with this situation.  It might be that this woman married 3 a*******s who were violent towards her.  Some women never seem to get it right and always choose the jerks.  If anyone should be abused it's the authorities for not acting on the complaints/concerns reported to them.

Do you notice how ridiculous that sounds?    Why should the authorities get the blame because she is a fool?  She is the adult who is making these cra**y choices.

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I disagree 100%.  That's like commenting on someone's character if they've been married/divorced more than once.

I know a lady who has been married 3 times. She is 91 and outlived all 3 husbands. She is a woman of high moral character.

The woman of 26 who has children to 3 different fathers is another story though.
It might be considered rude to comment but by your own words, she has made plenty of mistakes she is now visiting on all her children and family. As well as the community.
THAT is the very poor character she displays. She has the worst judgement and her mistakes are not at the level of a dent in the fender of her car . She is stuffing up a whole bunch of kids and family and attracting the attention of government authorities.
We do have the right to observe her behaviour and judge it as bad. We are paying for her mistakes, as measured by the hurt in comments made by all who see her lifestyle having a deadly result.

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Do you notice how ridiculous that sounds?    Why should the authorities get the blame because she is a fool?  She is the adult who is making these cra**y choices.

I didn't mention blame and there are far more appropriate ways of "debating" than belittling another's point of view.  

I have since read that (according to the news reports) the authorities were slow to act on complaints made to them regarding the child's welfare though.  

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The woman of 26 who has children to 3 different fathers is another story though.

I know a woman of much the same age - 27 now I think -  who has the same number of children by three different men/husbands (1 child at 17, married at 21, husband died in car accident, married at 25, husband left her for a teenager).  She is a lovely woman with a good job and is of good character and judgement.  I also know a woman who has been married 4 times and divorced from all at age 40.  She is also a woman of good character and judgement with a good job.  

IMO you cannot judge a person without knowing the whole story, but I guess you'd condemn both of them anyway.  

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I also know a woman who has been married 4 times and divorced from all at age 40.  She is also a woman of good character and judgement with a good job.  

IMO you cannot judge a person without knowing the whole story, but I guess you'd condemn both of them anyway.  

4 times? how could you MARRY then divorce FOUR times and still have good judgment? not in men obviously. ;S

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I didn't mention blame and there are far more appropriate ways of "debating" than belittling another's point of view.  

You did worse!. You said : Quote:   If anyone should be abused it's the authorities for not acting on the complaints/concerns reported to them. Post 723 above.

Be Abused !!! the authorities??.          You could put ideas into the mind of the local nutter with such a suggestion.

It is peoples point of view that makes a debate. It IS wrong to pick the person (I did not do that)  

Just like to say....
I have been married and divorced twice. 3 plus years the first time, one daughter 30 years of age now.
19 plus years the second time, one son 23 years of age in 4 weeks.
Found out I am not good at being married so will never do that again!
Now have an empty nest and a boyfriend I see once a week (all day Sundays) and have never been happier in my entire 52 years!

The NEWS:
Man squeezed baby to death: police

5:31p.m. 13 November 2007

| Mark Furler and AAP

A man who allegedly squeezed his partner’s 19-day-old baby boy to death because it wouldn’t stop crying has faced court.

The murder charge follows a sickening series of alleged attacks on children across Australia, including the alleged assault of a three-year-old girl in Sydney, the dumping of a little boy in suitcase and the alleged murder of a two-year-old at Margate, near Redcliffe.

A 21-year-old man from Logan, today faced Beenleigh Magistrates Court today on one count of murder over the baby’s death on Saturday.

The baby boy was taken to Mater Children’s Hospital from the Loganlea home, but died about 9.45pm (AEST).

A post-mortem examination revealed the child suffered fractures to its ribs and skull.

Detective Inspector Dave Hutchinson told AAP police would allege the man became frustrated after he was unable to comfort the crying child.

“(It’s alleged) he became frustrated by the fact that he couldn’t quieten the child, and has subsequently squeezed it for a period of time beyond a reasonable level and caused these injuries,” Det Insp Hutchinson said.

The man, who cannot be named for legal reasons, was remanded in custody to appear in the Beenleigh Magistrates Court on January 15.

Meanwhile, a man has also been charged over an assault on a three-year-old Sydney girl.

Police were called to Dobu Place at Glenfield, in Sydney’s west, about 10.15pm on Monday, where they found the infant with bruising to her body and cuts and bruises to her face.

She was taken to Westmead Children’s Hospital, where she today remained in a stable condition in the care of the Department of Community Services (DoCS).

A 23-year-old Glenfield man was charged with maliciously inflicting grievous bodily harm and was due to appear in Campbelltown Local Court today.

The case follows Australian outrage over the death of two-year-old Dean Shillingsworth, whose decomposed body was found stuffed in a tartan suitcase in a duck pond at Ambarvale, in Sydney’s south-west.

In Queensland, a 34-year-old Brisbane man was recently charged over the death of a two-year-old boy, who was recently released from foster care.

http://www.thedaily.com.au/news/2007/nov/13/man-squeezed-baby-death-police/


Dim sim led to death
Article from: The Courier-Mail
By Robyn Ironside
November 13, 2007 11:00pm

THE sudden death of a 21-year-old trainee fitness instructor just days before her birthday could have been prevented, according to a medical expert.

As Michelle Bray's friends and workmates struggled yesterday to come to terms with her death, apparently from anaphylaxis, questions were being asked about how the health-conscious young woman did not know the extent of her allergy.

Ms Bray's life was tragically cut short on Monday night when she suffered a severe anaphylactic reaction to a seafood dim sim during a Christmas party with workmates at the Wellington Point Hotel, where she was a waitress.

A bartender training as a paramedic administered CPR but by the time an ambulance arrived 10 minutes after Ms Bray collapsed she was unconscious and without a pulse.

Staff at Redland Hospital made further attempts to resuscitate her but to no avail.

Wellington Point Hotel manager Scott Hogan yesterday said staff were "shattered" by Ms Bray's death and had been offered grief counselling.

"No one at the hotel was aware of Michelle's allergy and certainly no one could have predicted what a severe reaction she would have to such a small parcel of food," he said.

for more go to...
http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22754262-3102,00.html


Early lung cancer sensor trial begins
Article from: The Courier-Mail
Sophie Elsworth
November 13, 2007 11:00pm

A BREATH-TEST machine that can detect the tiniest of lung cancers often missed by other methods could be available to Australians within three years.
The Royal Brisbane and Women's Hospital yesterday announced a world-first trial of the machine which is expected to take at least 18 months.

The hospital's Dr David Fielding said the machine was the brainchild of Australian doctor Michael Phillips, who developed the test in the US.

"Our study is looking at the ability of this breath test to detect tumours that are very small so that they are not visible on a CT scan or an X-ray, which are only detectable using very sensitive bronchoscope equipment," Dr Fielding said.

"We use a special blue light to show us things even the naked eye can't see down the bronchoscope."

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,22754465-3102,00.html

Australians unleash true selves online

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Asher Moses
November 30, 2007 - 4:10PM
Online interaction has given rise to a generation of Australians who are more comfortable with their online personas then their true self.

Online interaction has given rise to a generation of Australians who are more comfortable with their online personas then their true self.
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Australians are facing an online identity crisis, using the web and social networking sites to unleash their alter egos, new research suggests.

Symantec's Identity Survey, conducted by Woolcott Research, found Australians typically had more than 10 virtual identities. They included profiles on sites like MySpace and YouTube, email accounts, game avatars and characters in virtual worlds.

"This is what we used to call multiple personality disorder," said Andrew Fuller, a clinical psychologist and fellow of the University of Melbourne's Department of Psychiatry.

Of the 596 respondents, one in five felt their online identities were closer to their "true self" than their real-world identity. When narrowing the results down to "power users" of social networking sites, dating sites, virtual worlds or gaming sites, the figure jumps to 40 per cent.

Fuller said online interaction had given rise to a generation of Australians who were more comfortable with their online personas then their true self. In fact, many are defining themselves through their virtual identities.

"Basically people are saying that this online identity that I've carved out for myself may be more expressive and reflective of who I am as a person than the person I show to people face-to-face," Fuller said in an interview.

"That's not necessarily a bad thing - people often have an unlived life they don't often express ... perhaps what's happening is an unleashing of that hidden self."

But in the process of experimenting with different types of identities online, people are exposing themselves to privacy and personal security risks.

The survey also found two-thirds of Australians were more likely to share personal information with other people on the internet than they would in person. Just over half of Australians published three or more types of personal information on blogs, social networking sites or online shopping sites, while a third published their home address and two thirds revealed their real name.

Symantec says criminals could use information found in online profiles to commit fraud in the real-world ("identity theft"), or for social engineering.

Two-thirds of respondents also said people post personal information online without thinking through the possible consequences.

"Despite being aware of and sensitive to the risks of identity theft online, when they [Australians] go online it's as if those concerns go out the window," Fuller said.

But while we're now enjoying deep and powerful internet relationships, Fuller said his practice had also seen a recent influx of kids who had become distressed from online bullying.

He said cyber bullying - "somebody pretending to be you or creating a website about you or posting unfortunate comments" - had gone from zero to virtually a fifth of his clinical practice.

"It was only a couple of years ago we were saying to people don't meet somebody you've just met online," Fuller said.

"Nowadays, if you said that to somebody as a psychologist, they would just laugh at you."