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Gee, how p***ed off I am about that sickening attack at that poor girl. Those sickos got the attack on DVD and selling them on the black market (See story: http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=155021)

I see the law has prevented them from convicted as adults, but I would like to see them pr***s, see how they like it, to what they done to that poor girl !!

***EDITED by SuziH: please if you must use bad language disguise it a little better because kids and teens do come on here and look.***
By the way, I am merging this with 'Today's News' as I can't see the point of having an entire thread made for every single news story that is in the media on any given day.
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Gee, how p***ed off I am about that sickening attack at that poor girl. Those sickos got the attack on DVD and selling them on the black market (See story:


As far as I'm concerned the parents who saw the DVD and thought it was harmless should also be up on charges. This is so disgusting.

It's no longer good enough for parents to get off scott free when their child committs a crime against society. I know it's hard to police, but in this instance force the boys and the parents to do community service in a home for the disabled. Sending the boys to jail will only make them worse.
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i heard the father being interviewed by Neil Mitchell on 3AW , this is sooo bad & sad !!
there is a hell of alot of depth into this story, it aint just the one horrific incident on the day (that would've been bad enough)
months and months of counciling for her has almost gone down the toilet since the release and public knowledge of this DVD.... and the family is just sooo destraught i found it even hard to listen too after a while with the amount of emotion coming out.
then i started getting furious !!  






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These are the kinds of kids we need to be able to identify and reform as early as possible.

These are the kinds of kids that when older join the army and committ the same crimes against civilians in the lands they occupy, or against their own colleagues.

These are the kinds of kids that end up rapists and murderers if not dealt with.

The psychologist brought up something I had brought up some time ago, that these kids lack a "social conscience". Respect for others is learnt at home, makes you wonder what these kids' parents were teaching them or letting them get away with.

Disclaimer: It's not always the parent's fault, sometimes the best raised kids who are loved very much go bad.
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Rape squad rounds up sex attack DVD gang
Daniella Miletic
October 25, 2006 - 2:43PM


Police interviewing a group of youths who participated, produced and distributed a graphic DVD showing a teenage girl allegedly being assaulted  said today it had become a rape investigation.

Detective Inspector Simon Clemence from the Sex Crimes Squad
said up to 12 boys could be charged.

He said two boys were being investigated in relation to the assault of the girl but had yet to be interviewed. The rape offence involved oral sex, he said.

"At this stage I think it would be fair to say it is a rape and some indecent assaults as well,'' he said.

"We have taken a statement from the girl and she states quite categorically that she was not a willing participant on what occurred on that particular occasion and that confirms the basis of the offence.

"At this stage the primary offence is the sexual offence and that's a serious sexual assault we are investigating.''

He said some of the 12 youths had been identified and he was confident all the perpetrators would be found and interviewed by this afternoon.

"There is still a few yet to be identified and we are asking the public, and we know the material has been circulated at a couple of the schools, if any of the people at those schools know who the people are then they should let us know,'' he said.

At least two students have been expelled, and another three suspended from schools in the district, as parents, peers and police grapple with what has happened.

Detective Clemence said of the DVD: "It is quite disturbing, very disturbing actually.

"I can tell you I have seen the video and there is no humour in it. The girl is the victim of a serious crime, she's very traumatised, the parents are very traumatised, and anyone who thinks this is a bit of a joke perhaps must have a good look at themselves.

"I would encourage anyone who gets a hold of this material, anyone who sees this material to report it to us and we will do anything in our power to stop it.''

He said camera operators and distributors as well as those participating in the film could face charges.

Child psychologist Dr John Cheetham likened the mob behaviour to the degradation of Jews in World War II.

"It's the sort of behaviour you would expect in a prison camp. It's something like a flashback to the Second World War and the way the Jews were treated," Dr Cheetham told the Nine Network.

Those involved in the attack were likely to be angry, resentful poor achievers who had not developed a set of values.

"Somewhere along the line they have not learned to have a social conscience and to respect the dignity of human beings, he said.

The victim of the sex attack faced a long, hard road to recovery, Dr Cheetham said.

"The shock, the horror, the sense of degradation, would be just horrific and we know from the history of people that have had this sort of stuff imposed on them, is that we do get long-term trauma," he said.

"We get sleeplessness, we get nightmares, we get an unwillingness to socialise, we get an unwillingness to go out of the house.

"Then you have all the emotions of having been violated and you would just feel absolutely horrific."

- with AAP

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/rape-squad-rounds-up-dvd-gang/2006/10/25/1161699377947.html

Please please please try these low lifes as adults.

Child-care sex predator alert
Jonathan Pearlman
October 25, 2006 - 4:42PM


Sexual predators have been getting jobs at child-care centres and "grooming" children for potential assaults, the NSW Ombudsman has warned.

The Ombudsman, Bruce Barbour, said the practice of grooming had increased in NSW and he had provided child-care agencies with suggestions for identifying potential predators.

He said the practice of grooming involved "try[ing] to favour children, to get them ready for some sort of sexual advance. They might pick particular children who are vulnerable. They will provide them with sweets or expensive gifts".

Mr Barbour, who released the Ombudsman's annual report today, said predators had also tried to groom parents of children they intended to target.

"They will often also try to groom parents, so the parents feel these people are a desirable influence in their child's environment," he said.

Mr Barbour said his office was undertaking further investigations of the practice.

"Clearly, sexual misconduct and predatorial behaviour is a growing problem in this state. We are seeing sexual misconduct ranging from grooming in the workplace right through to the use of internet chatlines to the use of other form of technology to harass and stalk people, usually young children."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/childcare-sex-predator-alert/2006/10/25/1161743790576.html

Teen crash survivor 'on suicide watch'
Wednesday Oct 25 15:07 AEST

The devastated P-plate driver of a car that crashed in northern NSW, killing his four friends, has been moved from Gold Coast hospital.

Friends of 17-year-old Tyler Green, who escaped with only minor injuries, say "he doesn't want to be in this world".
Tyler was moved from the hospital on Tuesday to an undisclosed location and placed on suicide watch, News Ltd reports.
He's believed to have been admitted to a private hospital in Brisbane.
His friends say he has had to be heavily sedated to cope with the mental anguish.
"He doesn't want to be in this world," said Kathalina Parker, a friend of the dead teenagers' parents.
Ms Parker told News Ltd: "Honestly, I don't think he will ever come back to the school. This will be the end of him.
"This is going to be the hardest thing he had ever had to deal with.
"He's fought many tough battles, but this is one I don't think he'll recover from."
Other friends say Tyler wished he'd died in the crash.

İAAP 2006

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=102891

Croc caught catching rays in Darwin backyard

A man living on the fringes of Darwin had a surprise this morning when he ventured into his backyard and found a crocodile had sought solace from the heat in his goldfish pond.
A visit from a 1.6 metre saltwater crocodile was the last thing Wayne Miller was expecting at his Bees Creek property.
"Here's this half a crocodile hanging out of underneath my decking, basking itself in the sun," he said.
"I got quite a fright."
Mr Miller says his main concerns were his pet dog and his goldfish.
"Thank god it's a rottweiler, so it's a big dog. I've got some fish in there, some rather large comets."
All survived.
Parks and Wildlife workers removed the crocodile.
The salt water crocodile was one of four captured in the Top End today.
Authorities say crocodiles are becoming more active because the wet season is prime breeding time.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/newsitems/200610/s1773543.htm


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Daniella Miletic
October 25, 2006 - 2:43PM


i think ( from memory     in VIC  , one has to be 17 years & 8 month's old ) to be classed as adult - even then it's segregated uptil 21 ? ) from mainstream population of open age in adult prison - " it will still happen though"  


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Teen crash survivor 'on suicide watch'
Wednesday Oct 25 15:07 AEST


i have'nt check it out yet , but have they concluded if he was -
A : Speeding
B : Under the influence of any cocktails yet ?

if he was either , i sense a few charges of Culpable driving charges could be on his way , amongst other more minor stuff  .






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That poor girl,

She probably thought she had met a nice boy on the net, the fact that she went and met them shows the kind of trusting innocence that has now been ripped from her in such a horrific way. To top this trauma off now she has to deal with the fact people were paying to see her betrayal, then hearing of them laughing while she is no doubt has nightmares every time she closed her eyes. If that is not enough for a young innocent to deal with, now the whole of Australia is aware of it and even though nearly all support her and are disgusted with the way she was treated by these animals, no doubt she wish's that we all didn't know anything about it. No doubt that poor child sees that her shame and humiliation has now been broadcast for all the world to know.

I have four daughters and have never been more glad that we live in a small rural town even with a drought.

You maynot be able to blame the parents in all cases but at the very least thier parenting practises should be under careful scruteny.




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These young offenders should get a public flogging, then put on dvd for the world to see. The punishment should fit the crime in this instance.......


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400 KG of Ammonium Nitrate has been stolen off a Freight Train In N.S.W   

i just heard this (12:01 am on 3AW), and i can't seem to find any news links on it as yet.

it's been reported that a freight container was 'crow barred open' while the train was stationary as it was waiting for another train to pass !
(mmm, a well planned attack)  

400 KG !  SH*T  , this is the dead set serious part of today's reality that we did'nt want to think would happen here... they've just scored ( In Bulk ) the hardest to get & most needed ingrediant to get to make these bombs !
this HAS to be our biggest most serious threat so far !

could it be 200 kg for both Melb & Sydney ?   or even distributed even wider
... thats alot of potentual 10-20 kg bombs !  

dare i say , even much tougher transport regulations will be enforced more than they already where, with this stuff .  







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'Women to blame for sex attacks'
By Richard Kerbaj
October 26, 2006 01:00am

AUSTRALIA'S most senior Muslim cleric has blamed immodestly dressed women who don't wear Islamic headdress for being preyed on by men and likened them to abandoned "meat" that attracts voracious animals.

In a Ramadan sermon that has outraged Muslim women leaders, Sydney-based Sheik al-Taj al-Din al-Hilaly also alluded to the infamous Sydney gang rapes, suggesting the attackers were not entirely to blame.

While not specifically referring to the rapes, brutal attacks on four women for which a group of young Lebanese men received long jail sentences, Sheik Hilaly said there were women who "sway suggestively" and wore make-up and immodest dress "and then you get a judge without mercy (rahma) and gives you 65 years."

"But the problem, but the problem all began with who?" he asked.

The leader of the 2000 rapes in Sydney's southwest, Bilal Skaf, a Muslim, was initially sentenced to 55 years' jail, but later had the sentence reduced on appeal.

In the religious address about adultery to about 500 worshippers in Sydney last month, Sheik Hilaly said: "If you take out uncovered meat and place it outside on the street, or in the garden or in the park, or in the backyard without a cover, and the cats come and eat it ... whose fault is it, the cats' or the uncovered meat?

"The uncovered meat is the problem."

The sheik then said: "If she was in her room, in her home, in her hijab, no problem would have occurred."

He said women were "weapons" used by "Satan" to control men.

"It is said in the state of zina (adultery), the responsibility falls 90 per cent of the time on the woman. Why? Because she possesses the weapon of enticement (igraa)."

Muslim community leaders were yesterday outraged and offended by Sheik Hilaly's remarks, insisting the cleric was no longer worthy of his title as Australia's Mufti.

Young Muslim adviser Iktimal Hage-Ali - who does not wear a hijab - said the Islamic headdress was not a "tool" worn to prevent rape and sexual harassment.

"It's a symbol that readily identifies you as being Muslim, but just because you don't wear the headscarf doesn't mean that you're considered fresh meat for sale," the former member of John Howard's Muslim advisory board told The Australian. "The onus should not be on the female to not attract attention, it should be on males to learn how to control themselves."

Australia's most prominent female Muslim leader, Aziza Abdel-Halim, said the hijab did not "detract or add to a person's moral standards", while Islamic Council of Victoria spokesman Waleed Ali said it was "ignorant and naive" for anyone to believe that a hijab could stop sexual assault.

"Anyone who is foolish enough to believe that there is a relationship between rape or unwelcome sexual interference and the failure to wear a hijab, clearly has no understanding of the nature of sexual crime," he said.

Ms Hage-Ali said she was "disgusted and offended" by Shiek Hilaly's comments. "I find it very offensive that a man who considers himself as a mufti, a leader of Australia's Muslims, can give comment that lacks intelligence and common sense."

Yesterday, the Mufti defended the sermon about "adultery and theft", a recorded copy of which has been obtained and translated by The Australian.

Sheik Hilaly said he only meant to refer to prostitutes as "meat" and not any scantily dressed woman with no hijab, despite him not mentioning the word prostitute during the 17-minute talk.

He told The Australian the message he intended to convey was: "If a woman who shows herself off, she is to blame, but a man should be able to control himself".

He said if a woman is "covered and respectful" she "demands respect from a man". "But when she is cheap, she throws herself at the man and cheapens herself."

Sheik Hilaly also insisted his references to the Sydney gang rapes were to illustrate that Skaf was guilty and worthy of receiving such a harsh sentence.

Waleed Ali said Sheik Hilaly was "normalising immoral sexual behaviour" by comparing women to meat and men to animals and entirely blaming women for being victims.

"It's basically saying that the immoral response of men to women who are not fully covered is as natural and as inevitable as the response of an animal tempted by food," he said.

"But (unlike animals) men are people who have moral responsibilities and the capability in engaging in moral action."

Revelation fo the Mufti's comments comes after he criticised Mr Howard last month in The Australian for saying a minority of migrant men mistreated their women. Sheik Hilaly said such a minority was found in all faiths. "Those who don't respect their women are not true Muslims."

"There's a small percentage found among all religions, but we don't recognise ours as Muslims."

Aziza Abdel-Halim said Sheik Hilaly's remarks during Ramadan were inaccurate and upsetting to the Muslim community.

"They are below and beyond any comment (and) do not deserve any consideration."

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20645635-2,00.html

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Subject: Peter Foster arrested in Fiji !!

Hehehe, did you see what happened to that conman Peter Foster been up tp lately?? (See story: http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,20645333-2,00.html)

This idiot was trying to escape the Fijian police for his bogus scams when he took off, jumped off a bridge, then hit his head on a passing boat.

Peter, you are such a LOSER !!
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... This idiot was trying to escape the Fijian police for his bogus scams when he took off, jumped off a bridge, then hit his head on a passing boat...



ROFL, he'll never live it down!



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