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x452
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The problem with that hope . . is that those of the 50' and 60's generation are the ones that raised the generation of kids that are at the forefront of todays trouble . . how could they have learnd peace at the knees of those 'war mongers'. ??    it is impossible to pass on something you do not know . . and peace is in that catagory.


I never understood why the current generation of rulers, the Bush's and Blairs of the world, who experienced the decade of "peace and love" are so pro-war. Only that the others around them, the neo-cons, Cheney, Rumsfeld et al are of an older generation, which may explain a few things. I have no doubt that without the puppetry of the neo-cons, Bush would not be such a war monger.

When the current generation of 20-40 year olds reach the age group of 50-70, where they are most likely to hold positions of power, there should be much less war mongers among them (hopefully).

Let's hope these pro-war neo-con type young Liberals, young Republicans and radicalised Muslim youths (who's parents are not radical) do not get into positions of power.

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. . . . . . Let's home these pro-war neo-con type young Liberals, young Republicans and radicalised Muslim youths (who parents are not radical) do not get into positions of power.



The funny thing about power is that it attracts the very worst people for the job.
They are always 'capable' . . but that does not make them wise enough to do the job. Truly wise people know that the job cannot be done and they remain sane and 'nice'.  . .it takes people with 'radical' drive to be brave enough to attempt rulership.
Tactical skills (needed in politics) are not the best base for deciding big issues that effect families and the little people.  The is why big business is running this country now. . .they are Big Tacticians.  




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The funny thing about power is that it attracts the very worst people for the job.


True. Absolute power corrupts absolutely. The path to attain absolute power is not a clean one. Even those that are half good beforehand (Blair might be an example) get corrupted during the ascent.

Phillip Ruddock, as the Immigration Minister an absolute arsehole, is said to have been a good person before selling his soul, according to his daughter.

It's quite shameful that he continues to wear his Amnesty International badge, I would have asked him to remove it if I were AI.

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The daughter of Australian Immigration Minister Philip Ruddock says she has left Australia partly as a result of her father's hardline stance on asylum.
Kirsty Ruddock, 30, left the country last week to work as a volunteer in a developing country.

Before she left, Ms Ruddock told the ABC's Australian Story programme, which was to be aired on Monday, that she found it difficult to reconcile the values her father had taught her, with his policies.
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. . . . . Even those that are half good beforehand (Blair might be an example) get corrupted during the ascent.  


I would not even say 'corrupt' . . I met a politician who was canvassing door-to-door many years ago. He was new to the electorate and calling on everone he could to introduce himself and outline his ideals and aims if he were to be elected.
They sounded noble and he seemed like such a nice guy.

Then he got elected!! . . for the first 6 months he could not be contacted because he became busy finding an office. . getting staff . .deciding how to put a 'disabled access' ramp at the front door.  Next came his fuss about the staff he could hire and office equipment . .then allowances for travel and postage. He sent A4 flyers to the whole neighbourhood to let us know of his 'battles' with red tape and waste (the flyer cost 5c each to print and deliver *that was not waste*    ) .

I don't think he was a bad man . . but it shows that even the most avid social advocate can become sidetracked . .which HE did at lightening speed.

He lasted only 1 term BTW.    




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I don't think he was a bad man . . but it shows that even the most avid social advocate can become sidetracked


To many, once they feel the power and experience the privileges of office they become as addicted as any drug addict.  This explains the desperate measures they will engage to retain office.
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To many, once they feel the power and experience the privileges of office they become as addicted as any drug addict.  This explains the desperate measures they will engage to retain office.


Yup. Look how desperate lil Johnny is to hold on to power, given half a chance I'm sure he'd sell his first born.

He keeps delaying his retirement to the detriment of the party. It's very sad really.
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Yup. Look how desperate lil Johnny is to hold on to power, given half a chance I'm sure he'd sell his first born.

He keeps delaying his retirement to the detriment of the party. It's very sad really.


If David Hicks is still in Gitmo by Nov . . johnny will be gone . .we win one way or the other.  




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If David Hicks is still in Gitmo by Nov . . johnny will be gone . .we win one way or the other.  


Gee you're hopeful that Hicks will tip the election in Labor's favour?

I am not, been disappointed too many times (and expecting to be again)  
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Gee you're hopeful that Hicks will tip the election in Labor's favour?

I am not, been disappointed too many times (and expecting to be again)  


You won't be this time . . I don't vote ( a previously known fact) but I call on stores and talk to people in business every day for my work.
The groundswell is huge about this issue . .i don't care either way about Labor - Liberal - Greens etc.  I am calling it as I see it . . even die hard Johhny fans are annoyed with him now . .  




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Six months ago 'ittle Johnny said Hicks would be in court within the week, then Ruddock said it again a couple of weeks later ...well Philip and 'ittle Johnny we're still waiting.

I guess our beloved *sic* PM isn't as influential in America as he thinks he is. Seeing as 'ittle Johnny is poll driven, Hicks would be home now if he really had any influence.  The truth is, Howard was just a "yes" man to George dwabba.  If it wasn't for our compliance in the invasion of Iraq, I reckon George dwabba wouldn't know who the PM of Australia was/is.  All that back-slapping seen in the news reels was just ego stroking.

'ittle Johnny made his bed with george dwabba and now that george is pregnant will 'ittle Johnny deny sleeping with him.  It's going to be child support for you my friend.
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Food for thought:

If say China were the superpower and decided to give 1/3 of Australia to Indonesia and you have a week to pack your things and go, how would you feel?

You are not allowed to sell your home. You are not allowed to stay. You have not choice. Your land deeds mean nothing. All the years, work, love etc, you have put into your home mean nothing.


I think the Palestinians have everyright to be upset. Tell me an Aussie that wouldn't try and defend his home if this were to happen.

To make things werse, even though Israel were given 1/3 of Palestine, they now have taken more than 50%. Over the last 4 decades the Israeli have continued to "steal" land. Bulldoze homes and kill civilian Palestinians defending their homes  with sticks and stones. The Israeli have violated about 100 U.N santions over these 4 decades including countless human rights violations (as compared with one David Hicks) yet the U. N does nothing because the U.S sponsors Israel. Then Palestinians take 2 Israeli soldiers hostage to negotiate the release of their friends/family and the U.S declares war on Palestine.

Do you ever wonder why there are so many angry, frustrated middle eastern people in the world? All this has been happening in the middle east for decades and the whole world turns their backs to them.
-We drew first blood. We are the bad guys. I used to despise the Muslims myseld until late last year when I did a bit of reading about what is really happening. Do not believe what you see on TV. Do some research outside of the U.S and Israeli controlled propoganda. We have been lied to. What we are calling terrorists are often resistance fighters defending their homes.

Would you defend your home?
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Food for thought:

1./If say China were the superpower and decided to give 1/3 of Australia to Indonesia and you have a week to pack your things and go, how would you feel?

2./You are not allowed to sell your home. You are not allowed to stay. You have not choice. Your land deeds mean nothing. All the years, work, love etc, you have put into your home mean nothing. . . . .

3./To make things worse, even though Israel were given 1/3 of Palestine, they now have taken more than 50%.  . . . . .

4./Do you ever wonder why there are so many angry, frustrated middle eastern people in the world?

5./Would you defend your home?


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1./ I would feel annoyed.  . . but I would move to a place in the 2/3's that is not Indonesian and I would expect my fellow countrymen to help me accomodate my family after such un upheaval. .

2./ I would be amused . . I don't own my home.   and an earthquake would render everyones land/house deeds useless too. All material things can be destroyed or stolen. What can ANY person do about it in the bigger picture. Palestinians don't have the market cornered on 'loss of homes'.

3./ over 20% of current adult Australians are living in rented homes and that figure is about to jump dramatically.  Why is home ownership THE measure of our success?? . . it is a fake measuring line. Your house could fall down or burn up tomorrow. (I have seen a couple of millionaire places turn to ashes recently too)  . . farmers are today discussing when to leave their properties due to drought. They will walk away from land that has been in their families for generations . . but it is now useless without water so a sale is out of the question too .
That is not so vastly different from many other places in the world . . . they all feel cheated.

.4/ There are billions of people worldwide who are 'down-trodden' by the rich and powerful . . Palestinians don't have a 'first claim' to that fact either . .

5./ . . my HOME was lost to a fraudster 6 years ago . . now it is in alien territory I would laugh at the thought of the thief having an assett worth less than $1.

footnote: Beware assuming all Aussies are rich, smug and powerful . . many are feeling just as slighted as the poor of third world countries . . they just have not resorted to public rioting (yet!)



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Quoted from Ganza
Food for thought:

If say China were the superpower and decided to give 1/3 of Australia to Indonesia and you have a week to pack your things and go, how would you feel?

You are not allowed to sell your home. You are not allowed to stay. You have not choice. Your land deeds mean nothing. All the years, work, love etc, you have put into your home mean nothing.


I think the Palestinians have everyright to be upset. Tell me an Aussie that wouldn't try and defend his home if this were to happen.



Dont they both have claims to the land?


“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”
~ Winston Churchill

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Don't they both have claims to the land?


Both sides in the Palestinian conflict do have long standing 'claims' on that tiny piece of land.  The battles have been going on for 3,000 years and with the flood of media coverage on a daily basis now the rest of the world is tired of hearing/seeing  that religiously based mess.  

Even the IRA in Ireland got wise and saw what the media influence was doing to their cause . . and stopped the fighting . .  



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Geez, did anyone see on the news today, about the Middle-Eastern hatred-inciting "Mickey Mouse" clone? Here is the news article: http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21699286-1702,00.html

The mouse's name is Farfur. It was played on Hamas TV encouraging Palestinian children to take up arms against Israel and America.

Gee, Walt Disney will be turning in his grave !!  
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