Quoted from normangerman

Now now, Mr. Online. I haven't fully read into both of your arguments and sides, but I think we should be all able to present your opinions, but still have some respect for the other members. .

What other members????. . they have all gone.!!

Answering this person only 'feeds his need'.

It is time for Admin to edit each and every one of his posts.      
Banning is not going to work. .  

OK enough is enough. Aussie-Online's personal attacks continue, despite warnings, and I am suspending his/her account. Please continue your discussion.

And an obvious warning to everyone - post your views, make it lively, but step into personal attacking mode once too often and you're outta here.

Move on now.. nothing to see.

Darn it. Don't delete the posts until everyone has time to read them! That would have been extremely entertaining to read!

(ROFL)

I hope some of the old regulars that may have left because of friction will return. Come back everyone and let's get back on track.

Yeah!
Who has left??
Bsquared hasn't been on in forever.
Is meandean still here? Hopefully. No one else is missing are they? :S
I'll shut up, really I will! :p

I found it fascinating that the most belligerent postee supported belligerent foreign policies....so at least he/she was a consistent practitioner of her/his world view.

Argument is the weaponry of a democracy.

The sword, tyranny.

Im here - but im not a regular - old thou

If you have a heart you will watch this video. Just like the matrix you have a choice. If you take the pill (watch the video) you will see the truth but will never be the same again. 4 minutes duration.



http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6335598397615094716&q=ISRAEL

I am merging his post with the thread titled "Troubled Middle East".  It fits well there and may generate some good discussion.

Quoted from Ganza

If you have a heart you will watch this video. Just like the matrix you have a choice. If you take the pill (watch the video) you will see the truth but will never be the same again. 4 minutes duration.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6335598397615094716&q=ISRAEL

OK . . I watched it.  

Now what????? . . if Palestine is given back to Palestinians . .we will have a Jewish member here next year showing us the exact same video  . .but from the Israeli side.

You have shown us the problem . . now tell us what the solution is! . .  
Otherwise you become exactly the same as sensationalist current affairs programs that give us tea time shock tactics to get ratings . . and never get back to us with an answer.

What is your answer???  

I see both sides in this dispute as being provocative with an all or nothing agenda.

The Palestinians and Jews are in reality the same people separated only by stubbornness.  The both claim the same religious and cultural heritage.  Over time both parties have been the principal occupants of this part of the World and have been fighting over it since before Christ.

The Palestinian/Israel conflict will only be settled when both parties agree to co-habitation.

Quoted from tramp

The Palestinian/Israel conflict will only be settled when both parties agree to co-habitation.

Do you think that is possible? Who are the aggressors? On the news I see suicide bombers and then next minute I see Apache helo's and tanks rolling through stone huts!

Quoted from The_Pragmatic_One

Do you think that is possible?

The realist in me says no. The reason being for peace to prevail they need leaders who are advanced in their thinking and humanity (ie. Mandela), and these kinds of people are only 1 in a million. Both sides need leaders who will not be influenced by nationalists and the guerilla groups. They must be willing to treat Palestinians and Israeli's as equals and break down the physical and psychological walls of segregation. This is going to cost a lot of money and a huge peacekeeping force but I think if both parties were serious about controlling the guerillas it is possible.

Quoted from The_Pragmatic_One

On the news I see suicide bombers and then next minute I see Apache helo's and tanks rolling through stone huts!

That's what the Israeli friendly anglo-western media show you. If you watch the BBC or SBS or any European news they will often show the Palestinian child or family that were innocently gunned down that provoked the suicide attack. Now this is not always the case, suicide bombers aren't always in retaliation and Israel aren't always the aggressor, the vice versa is common as well. But you get the picture?

Quoted from The_Pragmatic_One

Do you think that is possible?  

There is a more conciliatory echo doing the rounds among the younger Palestinians and Israelis now.  A yearn to live in peace, for once, will see the two groups become more accomodating in the following generations.

Once all the war mongers of the 50’s and 60’s fade out, a new regime will begin to emerge.

Quoted from tramp

There is a more conciliatory echo doing the rounds among the younger Palestinians and Israelis now.  A yearn to live in peace, for once, will see the two groups become more accomodating in the following generations.

Once all the war mongers of the 50’s and 60’s fade out, a new regime will begin to emerge.

The problem with that hope . . is that those of the 50' and 60's generation are the ones that raised the generation of kids that are at the forefront of todays trouble . . how could they have learnd peace at the knees of those 'war mongers'. ??    it is impossible to pass on something you do not know . . and peace is in that catagory.