There was an interview last night on the ABC with the Israeli foreign minister. He was adamant that they were going to keep fighting until they got rid of Hezbollah. When asked why they weren't also attacking Syria and Iran (for funding the aiding the Hezbollah), the brushed that question aside and continued to insist that they were only targeting Hezbollah and no one else.
Another thing I find funny: everytime the Lebanese have been in the news over here about cultural issues, they all claim that they are not Australian - they are Lebanese Australian and they make that very clear (don't you dare call them Australian). Now, with the war going on in Lebanon, everyone is suddenly Australian because they want out.
It's nice to have dual citizenship, huh?
"Multiculturalism" - nice word isn't it
I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
THE United States is giving Israel a window of a week to inflict maximum damage on Hezbollah before weighing in behind international calls for a ceasefire in Lebanon, British, European and Israeli sources say.
The Bush Administration, backed by Britain, blocked efforts for an immediate halt to the fighting initiated by the United Nations Security Council, the Group of Eight summit in St Petersburg and the European foreign ministers' meeting in Brussels.
"It's clear the Americans have given the Israelis the green light. They [the Israeli attacks] will be allowed to go on longer, perhaps for another week," a senior European official said.
hmmm....
In heaven, there are no interesting people - Nietzsche
There was an interview last night on the ABC with the Israeli foreign minister. He was adamant that they were going to keep fighting until they got rid of Hezbollah. When asked why they weren't also attacking Syria and Iran (for funding the aiding the Hezbollah), the brushed that question aside and continued to insist that they were only targeting Hezbollah and no one else.
That is an easy one. The US is constantly negotiating with Israel to talk them out of starting a war. In 1991, after Sadam launched its scuds on Israel, the jews wanted to wipe Iraq of the map and would have done so if the US had not rushed in some anti-ballistic missiles.
The US does not want Israel to be sucked into a war with the Middle East. Because if it does, all hell will break loose. Every Arab nation would unite against Israel and the Western World would have to unite behind Israel, which gives you World War III.
It is not the jews who live in Israel that you need to worry about. It is the one who live in the US who run the show. More than half of Hollywood is Jew. Even in Australia, a big shunk of the wealth is owned by the Jews. Try to have a go at them in Australia and watch out!
When it comes to war, the Jews are pretty much like the French. We were both victims of World War II and we are determined to never be victims again, no matter what it takes. We will nuke the world before an invader takes our country again.
The philosophy is simple. Keep your hands from our property or face the consequences.
Israel belong to the Jews. It was taken from them by the Romans. 2000 years later, it was given back to them by the British. They had to wait 2000 years to get it back... If you think that they are going to give it up... You are even more crazy than the Palestinians.
It does not really matter how many Palestinians die. It is their own stupidity which is killing them. It is only the day that they accept the fact that Israel is there to stay that there will be a chance for peace. Take it or lump it.
It reminds me of Saddam with "The Mother of all wars". You have to be nuts to think for one second that you can throw the Jews out of Israel. They will nuke you before you even reach their border.
Believe me, there is nothing politically correct about the jews. They are really tough bastards. They won't negociate with you about multi-culture. And they don't give a stuff about John Lennon and his song "Imagine". They have suffered more horrors than anyone else during WWII. That is what has made them what they are today. Plus, you have to admire a people which was homeless for 2000 years but still managed to retain its identity through its religion. This is faith at its best.
[face=Arial][/face] i think its the oil- that the bigga countries want- money is the almighty.for most places. only thing is will someone tell me where all this oil is coming from-and what will happen to the world - there must be a huge hole in the middle by now. worth a thought but no one wants to think about it. i feel sorry for the people who are suffering,because i want to drive my car to do the shopping etc.
They have suffered more horrors than anyone else during WWII. That is what has made them what they are today. Plus, you have to admire a people which was homeless for 2000 years but still managed to retain its identity through its religion. This is faith at its best.
They suffered in WW2, so they are entitled to bomb the crap out of Palestine and Lebanon to get their land? Sure they are a resilient bunch, but there's a fine line between resilience and arrogance. They know what the horrors of war bring and yet they are happy to inflict that on anyone else. Can we say hypocracy?
That's how it sounds. So, if the Aboriginies here wanted their land back and started fighting to take it over it would be ok right? Because afterall, their ancestors suffered at the hands of the white man. Nevermind if you were born on this land and lived here all your life (as have generations of your family).
In heaven, there are no interesting people - Nietzsche
" I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel ,we , the Jewish people control America , and the Americans know it " . Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres , October 3rd 2001 , on Kol Yisrael radio.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
They suffered in WW2, so they are entitled to bomb the crap out of Palestine and Lebanon to get their land? Sure they are a resilient bunch, but there's a fine line between resilience and arrogance. They know what the horrors of war bring and yet they are happy to inflict that on anyone else. Can we say hypocracy?
Lets be very clear on this. Israel is not the agressor here. It only retaliate against Palestine when there is a terrorist attack on Israel.
Israel wants peace. Palestine wants war.
If the Aborigines started some terrorist attacks on Australia major cities to get their land back... What do you think we would do?
and did you hear about the palestinian who started a bar fight.... and did you hear about the israeli who stole someones goat....... and did you hear about the palestinian who girly slapped someone........ on, and on, and on. No one knows who the hell started it
I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
Hate is a wonderful thing is it not? It surpases all generations and gets stronger every time. It's amazing how much hatred has been passed down from history. England and Ireland, Catholics and Prodestants, Israel and Palestine, Israel and Lebanon, Black and White South Africa and so on.
In heaven, there are no interesting people - Nietzsche
Terrorism "the unlawful use of -- or threatened use of -- force or violence against individuals or property to coerce or intimidate governments or societies, often to achieve political, religious, or ideological objectives."
Quoted from Aussies_Online
But I doubt very much that Israel saw a family on the beach and thought "Lets blow them up!". That would be a terrorist attack indeed. ... You know as much as I do what the definition of terrorism is. So I won't bite on your allusion that both sides are terrorists.
So you believe Israel dropping a bomb on a building or entire town containing innocent civilians in an attempt to kill one or a handful or terrorists is justified? Or the U.S. invading an entire country and killing 10's of thousands of innocent people to kill or capture a handful of terrorists is justified?
Killing innocent people in order to kill terrorists is terrorism in my book.
Remember the war against terror is bad versus bad and the winner will end up being the biggest terrorist of them all.
I don't disagree that what the terrorists are doing is wrong, but what about what the U.S. has done? They supported Saddam Hussein, the Taliban and even Bin-Laden once upon a time, and you think they are the good guys?
What about Israel, the countless number of Palestinian children they have murdered all because they were in the wrong place at the wrong time. They denigrate and humiliate the Palestinian people by controlling their movements in their own country, and you think Israel is the good guy?
This today: Deadly Israel raid on UN post Wednesday Jul 26 09:13 AEST An Israeli air raid on south Lebanon has killed as many as four UN observers, overshadowing an international crisis meeting due to open in Rome, as Hezbollah vowed to fire rockets further into the heart of Israel. The deaths, which UN chief Kofi Annan said were the result of Israel's "apparently deliberate targeting" of a UN post, also drew a strong protest from France, whose officers currently command the nearly 30-year-old UN force. "I am shocked and deeply distressed by the apparently deliberate targeting by Israeli Defence Forces of a UN observer post in southern Lebanon that has killed two UN military observers, with two more feared dead," Annan said in a statement released in Rome.
French ambassador Jean-Marc de La Sabliere, president of the UN Security Council for July, said: "We condemn this bombing on a UNIFIL position." The attack on the UN post in the hilltop town of Khiam, once the site of an infamous Israeli jail but now a Hezbollah stronghold, came amid an intensive bombardment of the border area as Israeli troops advanced further into Lebanon. Fierce fighting was reported as Israeli troops took the town of Bint Jbeil, another bastion of the Shiite militant group. Hezbollah chief Hassan Nasrallah vowed to hit back with rocket attacks into the heart of Israel as he made a new television appearance early Wednesday following repeated unsuccessful attempts by Israel to kill him in bombing raids. "We are entering a new phase in the confrontation, the phase of (striking) beyond Haifa," Nasrallah told his group's Al-Manar television. Israel has repeatedly said it believes Hezbollah has longer-range rockets capable of reaching beyond Israel's third city, as far as the commerical capital Tel Aviv, or even the southern city of Beersheva. Warplanes also bombed the southern suburbs of the Lebanese capital, as Israel effectively ruled out any chance of a rapid ceasefire to end the two-week-old Lebanon conflict.
The conflict (this time around) between Israel and Hezbollah began when an Israeli soldier was 'kidnapped' by Hezbollah. Israel demanded his return. Hezbollah refused, possibly because the soldier was already dead and they didn't want to return body OR maybe they destroyed the body and there was nothing to return. Regardless, it was a great excuse for a war. Any excuse would of done but this seems a more noble cause with Israel standing by it's soldiers. Now it's turned into a case of 'Mine is bigger than yours' and 'Mine can go further than yours' and even 'Mine can do more damage than yours'. Neither party is concerned about killing civilians and even UN workers on the 'other side'. They just want to WIN, whatever that may mean. The following is very enlightening...
Timeline of trouble brewing From: Reuters
July 13, 2006 TENSIONS in the Middle East have been rising all year and now threaten to boil over. Here is a short chronology of developments in the region.
January 25 - Islamic militant group Hamas defeats Fatah movement of moderate President Mahmoud Abbas in first Palestinian parliamentary election in a decade.
January 30 - Hamas rejects a call from the Middle East Quartet to renounce violence and recognise Israel.
February 19 - Israel halts its monthly transfer of millions of dollars to the Palestinian Authority ahead of the formation of a Hamas-led Cabinet.
March 29 - Mr Abbas swears in Hamas Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh and his Government.
April 10 - The EU severs political contacts and temporarily suspends direct aid to the Palestinian Government to pressure it to recognise Israel and accept peace accords.
- Hamas says it considers Israel's severing of contacts with the new Palestinian Government "a declaration of war".
June 9 - The armed wing of Hamas calls off a 16-month-old truce after seven family members are killed on a Gaza beach during a day of Israeli shelling. Israel denies responsibility for the deaths.
June 13 - Israel kills 11 Palestinians, nine of them civilians, in a missile strike on a van carrying militants and rockets in Gaza.
June 25 - Gaza militants launch deadly raid into Israel, killing two soldiers and capturing Corporal Gilad Shalit aged 19. Three days later Israel pushes into Gaza.
June 29 - Israeli troops in the West Bank detain one third of the Palestinian Cabinet and nearly two dozen Hamas lawmakers.
July 3 - Israeli forces move into northern Gaza. Three days later the offensive is expanded after a rocket fired by Hamas hits the Israeli city of Ashkelon for the first time.
July 8 - Mr Haniyeh calls for a ceasefire with Israel. Israel says militants must first free the captured soldier and halt rocket attacks.
July 12 - Hezbollah guerrillas capture two Israeli soldiers and kill up to eight around the Lebanese border. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert calls it an "act of war" by Lebanon.
So you believe Israel dropping a bomb on a building or entire town containing innocent civilians in an attempt to kill one or a handful or terrorists is justified? Or the U.S. invading an entire country and killing 10's of thousands of innocent people to kill or capture a handful of terrorists is justified?
Killing innocent people in order to kill terrorists is terrorism in my book.
Section 1: General Protection Against Effects of Hostilities
Chapter II: Civilians and Civilian Population
Article 50: Definition of Civilians and Civilian Population
7. The presence or movements of the civilian population or individual civilians shall not be used to render certain points or areas immune from military operations, in particular in attempts to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield, favor or impede military operations. The Parties to the conflict shall not direct the movement of the civilian population or individual civilians in order to attempt to shield military objectives from attacks or to shield military operations.
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I rather believe that time is a companion who goes with us on the journey and reminds us to cherish every moment, because it will never come again. - Captain Jean-Luc Picard
... June 9 - The armed wing of Hamas calls off a 16-month-old truce after seven family members are killed on a Gaza beach during a day of Israeli shelling. Israel denies responsibility for the deaths.
June 13 - Israel kills 11 Palestinians, nine of them civilians, in a missile strike on a van carrying militants and rockets in Gaza.
June 25 - Gaza militants launch deadly raid into Israel, killing two soldiers and capturing Corporal Gilad Shalit aged 19. Three days later Israel pushes into Gaza.
This can't be right, it indicates that Israel is "the agressor", how's that possible? The Arabs are the terrorists and are always the agressor. This timeline HAS to be wrong!
(Note: sarcasm may have been used in the above post)
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