You have your right to your opinion, but there's no need to jump down my throat. Makes me cast doubt over your words because you sound like a raving fundie.
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I guess from your post Vecordious you would just allow this to happen until you either got killed by a stray PI missile or bomb or blah blah blah....
Where in my post did you see me say that? I used the word "MAYBE", meaning I'm just throwing a suggestion in there. Nowhere did I claim this to be gospel.
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The smartest thing we as 'informed' citizens can do is not take sides and condemn violence from both sides.
I do feel for the Jews though, they've been through a lot and have the right to protect themselves, although I feel Israel in this case have gone too far.
We know our media is biased and pro-U.S. and anti-Muslim, that's a fact, they will always portray Muslims fighting for their freedom in a negative light simply to support our own "war on terror".
The war is bad versus bad and it's always the innocent that get killed.
Arab/Muslim and Jew will probably never get along, at least not in the forseeable future, the history is too bloodied.
The only solution to this conflict is to move the Jews out of Israel. They claim it's their holy land, would you want to live there? Not sure about you but if my Holy Land was ravaged with so much violence I would want to get the heck out.
Open discussion and exchange of ideas is very good and what forums are all about. The word Forum in the Thesaurus has 'Meeting, Debate, Discussion, Round-Table'. Please don't disparage other's for their opinion or point of view. This subject is especially sensitive and of course people's emotions are going to get a little tetchy when discussing it. Please discuss, don't argue or belittle others.
I apologise if it seemed like I flamed, that was not my attention. I have always blamed both sides equally in this and get upset when people attempt to make out the Israelis as the poor victim and the Arabs as the nasty aggressors. Israel have as much to answer for (and in the shear amount of innocents they have killed more to answer for).
Israel is the greatest military strength in the area and uses it to suppress and oppress. It gets billions in US aid to be able to do this. To also put some perspective on what you hear in the Western media and their bias, since the fall of the Soviet Union the US has by far the largest propaganda organisation in the world, bigger than the rest of the world's combined. The country that has the second largest propaganda organisation in the world and substantially ahead of the third place China and fourth place Russia is Israel.
Us hear in Australia, but even more so in America, basically only ever get Israel's side of the story. Every Israeli death is made a great deal of in the media, wheras most Arab deaths are not reported at all or are just glossed over. This is why I get upset, especially when I've seen footage of Israeli troops shoot Arab children and kill innocent Western observers in the occupied territories.
Ask yourself this. Why is it that for decades now Palestinians and some neighbouring Arab countries have asked for neutral foreign troops (even American ones) to be installed in the occupied territories and the borders with Israel but it has been the supposedly innocent victim Israel that has always vehemently refused this request? Makes you wonder what they don't want these neutral observers to see, just like they ban foreign NGOs and observers from going into the occupied territories and those that do go in happen to get accidently shot or bulldozed in "crossfire", even though they are clearly identified as being non-Arab.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
...I do feel for the Jews though, they've been through a lot and have the right to protect themselves, although I feel Israel in this case have gone too far...
Even with my Jewish bias, I agree with X452. Israel have gone way over the top and I am aghast that any other country would declare otherwise.
Why is Israel given the preference that they currently have? Is it because the U.S. thinks it needs an ally in that area (seeing as no one else will even give them the time of day)?
In heaven, there are no interesting people - Nietzsche
We know our media is biased and pro-U.S. and anti-Muslim, that's a fact, they will always portray Muslims fighting for their freedom in a negative light simply to support our own "war on terror".
I don't think we'll ever get an unbiased report about anything from the media. Someone seems to always be pulling their strings. Too bad it's not Jim Henson.
In heaven, there are no interesting people - Nietzsche
Why is Israel given the preference that they currently have? Is it because the U.S. thinks it needs an ally in that area (seeing as no one else will even give them the time of day)?
Why is Israel given the preference that they currently have? Is it because the U.S. thinks it needs an ally in that area (seeing as no one else will even give them the time of day)?
- Money. The U.S. sell a s**t load of weapons to Israel. - Non-Arab ally in the region that they can trust. - Jews have a lot of influence in America. Henry Kissinger, a pro-war nasty piece of work was the United States Secretary of State from 1973–1977.
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I don't think we'll ever get an unbiased report about anything from the media. Someone seems to always be pulling their strings. Too bad it's not Jim Henson.
And with the Government now relaxing the media ownership laws it's going to get worse, our media will end up like America's (which it's already not far off), we'll have the equivalent of Fox News on every channel!
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I think its because they are surrounded by Arab states which refuse to recognize Israel as a state and who have continued to say ie Iran/Labanon/Palestine that they will do anything to destroy Israel. These are countries who want to take Israels out and to take back the land the claim is righfully there's.
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I think its because they are surrounded by Arab states which refuse to recognize Israel as a state and who have continued to say ie Iran/Labanon/Palestine that they will do anything to destroy Israel. These are countries who want to take Israels out and to take back the land the claim is righfully there's.
Exactly Anna, and what a terrible situation for the Israelis to be in and one that will probably never end. The worse of it is that as much as Israel attempts to stay militarily superior and has a large illegal armoury of WMD, military technology is allowing more destructive power to be put into smaller and more easily deliverable packages. As much as Israel and the US attempt to keep this technology out of others hands it must be only a matter of time?
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
There was an interview last night on the ABC with the Israeli foreign minister. He was adamant that they were going to keep fighting until they got rid of Hezbollah. When asked why they weren't also attacking Syria and Iran (for funding the aiding the Hezbollah), the brushed that question aside and continued to insist that they were only targeting Hezbollah and no one else.
Another thing I find funny: everytime the Lebanese have been in the news over here about cultural issues, they all claim that they are not Australian - they are Lebanese Australian and they make that very clear (don't you dare call them Australian). Now, with the war going on in Lebanon, everyone is suddenly Australian because they want out.
It's nice to have dual citizenship, huh?
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