Pictures from a rally in Europe. How much more ungrateful can you be to a country who has taken you in and allowed you to remain, no matter what your choice of religion?
Could you please post the link and source for those pictures? They are suspiciously like the ones from England that did the rounds on the internet quite a while ago and were proven to be fakes. I can chase up the original photos with the unaltered signs.
I may be wrong as these could be different pictures but they certainly look similar from memory.
---------------- That raises a serious point in who are also the terrorists and stirrers of hatred and bigotry. Those who advocate violence against the West and those who deliberately misrepresent the majority of the East to stir up hate by the West.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
Will do, Boomslanger. I'll chase up the links for you. They were, admittedly, sent to me from overseas.
While waiting for a reply from the sender, I found this news article where some of the pictures may have come from. Looks like it was from the rally regarding the Mohammad cartoon. Whatever the reason for it, it doesn't look doctored.
Hmmmm looking at the posters - its all basically the same font style so either they are all the same person or someone is a poster writer and earnt a bit of cash on the side.
That raises a serious point in who are also the terrorists and stirrers of hatred and bigotry. Those who advocate violence against the West and those who deliberately misrepresent the majority of the East to stir up hate by the West.
There's a war waging that is bigger than the war on terror, and that's the propaganda war or war of spin being waged by both sides.
And people easily get sucked in, like I think you have been Aussies-Online. If you think about it how are you different to an average Muslim in the middle-east who believes Israel and the west is evil and must be destroyed or at the very least driven off Muslim lands. You appear to believe that Muslims want to destroy us and our way of life so much so that you probably wish we never allowed Muslims into Australia, which would certainly resolve any Muslim tensions in this country. You want us to drop as many bombs as necessary on the middle-east to kill the terrorists even though it would never work and it would amount to mass genocide.
The difference between you and the average Muslim in the middle east is you are (supposedly) educated, you have access to enough information to be able to see both sides of the issue. The average Muslim in the middle east has all his information filtered by biased pro-Islamist state run newspapers and tv stations.
Yet the only information you divulge is the anti-Muslim crap that our biased newspapers, news programs and politicians keep throwing at us.
You should watch the ABC and SBS from time to time, might make you think a little more about the information the mainstream media feeds us.
There are two kinds of terrorists but the ones we are interested in here are the people who do not have a state and conventional forms of warfare to fight their invaders.
Terrorists do not try to conquer other people's territory but to liberate their own.
Since they can not fight a conventional war toe to toe with their enemy, they strike and run away and hide, strike again and run and hide. The old name for this is guerilla warfare, a term coined during Napoleon's occupation of Europe when patriots from Spain through to Russia sniped at French troops and disrupted supply lines by blowing up bridges etc.
Australia's aborigines had the same idea but with inferior armaments. America's plains Indians had the same idea but better weapons and horses. The Americans themselves used the same tactics in fighting the British in their War of Independence.
The occupying power finds it terribly frustrating and demonises these cowards who fire at them from behind rocks and trees. Their outlying settlers will be axed in their sleep, so they then send their cavalry in to wipe out the savages' villages.
There are documented accounts where here in Australia, an Aborigine would kill a sheep. (This seemed reasonable since the whites had sport shooting kangaroos.) The squatter would get a posse together and drive the nearest aboriginal tribe over a cliff. All in good fun of course. <<<EDIT by SuziH>>>
When Hitler occupied Europe, the regular German soldiers could be shot and bombed while sitting at a French cafe. So the Germans responded by rounding up and shooting ten Frenchmen for every German killed. This is called collective punishment.
The Algerians conducted guerilla warfare to get rid of the French, the Philipinos did the same against the Spanish, then the Americans, then the Japanese, and then the Americans again until finally the US withdrew in 1947.
The Vietnamese did the same against the French and then, as we all know, against the American occupation and its stooges.
The men of every tribe and nation will fight surreptiously against the empire that has occupied their land. The Zionists employed exactly the same tactics from 1925-1948 to oust the British.
The Irish have been trying to rid their island of the British for three centuries with some success (most of Ireland is now free and....hey guess what....at peace!!).
The leaders of these "terrorist"/patriots, usually become the president after the colonial power has given up and withdrawn. This happened in virtually every country that got its freedom from Britain, Portugal, Spain and France after WWII.
The colonisers will always tell you that the partisans are bums and should be wiped out. But in fact, since all men agree that you should fight for your country, the people that should be killed (if ever any should) are the invaders themselves.
A few guys waving placards in Paris or London are small potatoes compared to what we do to their countries: killing their children, stealing their wealth, grinding their pride into abject poverty, etc etc. Their pathetic protest for a few hours pales into insignificance compared to our decades of brutal occupation.
Everyone should go home and leave people to their own turf. Then this sort of violence would end. Chechens will live in peace once Russia leaves. The Tamil Tigers will go back to their armchairs when Sri Lanka gives in to their reasonable demands. The Basques wil be happy with autonomy or independence.
Some have asked, "When will the conflict in the Middle East (Israel v everyone) ever end?"
The answer is...not very soon and probably not in our lifetimes.
The reason is this: Israel is the only country on earth that has never told everyone what its borders should be.
Why is this?
Because the ultra nationalist, ultra orthodox Zionists want three times the territory they already possess. And that's a bit embarrassing to admit. It is not diplomatic to say that you want all of Jordan plus most of Syria and Lebanon.
Why do they want all this territory?
Because in the Torah they are told that this huge piece of territory will be theirs, and King David conquered most of it. So the ultra nationalists want to get it all back and turn the clock back to the year 1000 B.C.
So why don't they just take it all now?
They do not have enough Jews to settle such a large territory, so they have to wait for the West Bank to be digested before taking the next piece.
This is why it is Israel that always makes peace impossible. Arafat and others have offered the olive branch and since 1983 have said. "Ok Israel can exist. We will stop saying that Israel must go. We will not drive them into the sea."
But if Israel makes peace, it will not have the opportunity to take more territory. So to make sure that there is constant reasons for advancing, killing & destroying, then retiring and then coiming back again, Israel continues to provoke its neighbours.
If you get your head around this then everything becomes very plain. Israel wants more turf.
Now it is not true to say that all Jews, or all Israelis want this. But it is true to say that the most murderous and aggressively nationalistic do want this extra land. And it is also very likely that if the moderates said to the world, "OK we will just keep what we have already and not take anymore", they will risk triggering a civil war inside Israel. The ultras will accuse the moderates of betrayal, and of not following the scriptures, and not realising the Zionist dream. The moderates, in short, will have sold out. An ultra will simply assassinate the dumb a** that said such a thing and sold out.
If you want an example of this sort of assassination, you only need to remember Yitzhak Rabin's assassination at the hands of a young ultra orthodox Jew in 1995. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin
Not in this case - I would retract those comments they are racist and not suitable in this forum..
This is the use of irony. They are not my words, thoughts or beliefs. But they are the words and beliefs of people that accuse indigenous people of having a chip on their shoulder and not working hard for their new masters.
As with our friend Aussies Online, racists will on the one hand say that Aborigines should get a job and be a productive member of society.....but on the other hand, they would never say that Australians should get a job and be a productive member of society if the Japanese had successfully conquered Australia and were now the ruling class of that society. They would resist working hard for the Japanese empire.
I am sorry if your reading of my use of irony gave you the wrong impression. I was trying to spotlight the hypocrisy that is embedded in the Anglo-Saxon superiority complex.
Whoa there brains.... back up. I have edited your comments referring to the aborigines. I don't care if they were or weren't your words, brains, it is NOT ON. This forum does not allow people to use that kind of language. Please be aware that there are young and impressionable people who are members on this forum. Also what was in your post was racist, be it your thoughts or someone elses. Thanks for keeping this in mind in the future.
I am aboriginal myself. But if adults are not seeing the irony, then I shall not use it, since, as you say, young people may completely miss the point.
brains.... thank you for your apology. Thank you also for explaining where you are 'coming from' in terms of origin. We must be very careful what we post and how it is put forth on this public forum. Thank you for your understanding.
Hilarious how moderators use the word "Nazi" with pride, thinking it give them some sort of power over everyone else.
A moderators job is to find the balance of comments to allow ppl to expess themselves in a way that doesnt reflect badly on the forum they represent.
If you cannot accept thier job and task and respect those choices and what that involves then it would be clear to most that this forum is not for you. Go create your own blog, pay your own hosting fees and manage it the way you want and feel free to expess your own thoughts.
This is a family forum - respect it. You comments and personal attack on SuziH is unwarranted.
Will do, Boomslanger. I'll chase up the links for you. They were, admittedly, sent to me from overseas.
While waiting for a reply from the sender, I found this news article where some of the pictures may have come from. Looks like it was from the rally regarding the Mohammad cartoon. Whatever the reason for it, it doesn't look doctored.
February 06 so they are the ones that we discussed on another forum back then. There are conflicting articles on whether they are real or fake (and some real nasty heated articles). The weight of evidence seems they are real in protest over the Danish Muslim cartoons.
Hundreds of Muslims march from the London Central Mosque to the heavily protected Danish embassy. Chants include "7/7 is on its way" and placard slogans include "Slay [also "butcher", "massacre" and "behead"] those who insult Islam", "Free speech go to hell", "Europe is the cancer and Islam is the cure", "Exterminate those who slander Islam", "Europe you will pay. Your 9/11 is on its way!!" and "Be prepared for the real holocaust!"[67][68]
Which btw makes them wrong and the Islamic protesters not doing themselves or their race/religion any favours.
In researching if this was genuine or fake I certainly came across some nasty stuff in boards and blogs that's for sure. The sheer ignorance out there on all sides and the blatant racism along with calls for Israel and the US to wipe out all Arabs, the cancer eating away at the world, were very scary to read.
Anybody who dared to even advocate any form of peace or protest, let alone support any Arab position, were also condemned to be slaughtered so as to purge the world of the false and deceitful religion of Islam. Of course the reverse was true if you caught any English Arabic boards or blogs but they are certainly far and few between the overwhelmingly Christian white are right boards. The other thing was the absolute condemnation of much of Europe for being soppish and the breeding grounds for the Islamic cancer.
Doesn't make you feel optimistic about mankind that's for sure.
Everyone is entitled to be stupid, but some abuse the privilege.
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