Would it not be terrible to be 15 years old today?
Just think about it...
You would have been only 2 years old when V8 Supercars started. It was not even called "V8 Supercars" in 1993. I can see why they call them that as they are Supercars. But I still prefer the name "Australian Touring Cars".
Anyway... What's in it for a 15 year old? Mark Skaife had already won 2 Bathurst races before he was born. Peter Brock? Who is he? He won his last Bathurst in 1987.
I have been watching every Bathurst race since 1972. And I have recorded every telecast since 1984. I have just transfered everyone of them on DVDs.
I saw the development of a road car into a race car through the seventies. This was really exciting stuff. We could relate to those race cars as you could buy the look alike in the shop. This lasted until 1984.
Then some do-gooders put us in the wilderness by making us compete against the Europeens. The do-gooders where anti-V8 and wanted to kill it off. Luckily, someone saw the light and the V8s returned in 1993 bigger than ever.
I would hate to have missed all that history and all that fun. I reckon the 3 best Bathurst races in V8 Supercars were 1993, 1994, 1995. So I would have missed that also.
The whole thing has become too hi-tech these days and they are slowly taking the human element out of it. Which is very sad.
But yes, those cars of today are almost pure racing machines. Nothing in common with your humble road car. And they do look good on the track. And they are fast.
But most of the heroes are gone... Allan Moffat, Peter Brock, d**k Johnson, Larry Perkins... Those are the guys who contributed their life into building Australia Motor Racing into what it is today.
So what is your average 15 year old has to look forward... V8 is a dirty word more than ever. A car which burn a litre of petrol per kilometre cannot be politically correct.
The high cost of petrol and the environmentalists will kill the V8 for good in the near future. What's next? Maybe they will limit race cars to 100K/h because as we have all been told... Speed kills...
think about this--- by the time todays 15yo is 30, fuel will be $20 a LITRE, milk will be $30 a LITRE because coles & woolworths will control 97% of all retail & screwed most small business out of business & 97% of your hard earned cash will go to these 2 monstrocities because by then they will control the western world, if you knew the real facts of what these monsters own or control even today u wouldnt sleep, AND MURDER & KILLING PPL WHEN U R DRUNK which now carries NO PENALTY in most aust states will be nothing more than a parking ticket today, maybe less as some ppl pay more for a parking ticket in aust than the penalty for some recent well published murder cases THIS IS ALL BECAUSE NOBODY REALLY GIVES A s**t dont mean to rave on but i bet you i am not far off the reality if life in aust in another 15 yrs cheers
think about this--- by the time todays 15yo is 30, fuel will be $20 a LITRE, milk will be $30 a LITRE because coles & woolworths will control 97% of all retail & screwed most small business out of business & 97% of your hard earned cash will go to these 2 monstrocities because by then they will control the western world, if you knew the real facts of what these monsters own or control even today u wouldnt sleep,
This was really off topic and killing my thread.
Please go and start your own thread about the price of milk.
Does anyone ever watch recaps of the Bathurst telecast?
I was watching 83 and 84 the other day and could not believe how those once upon a time beautiful Group C cars have become so old fashion.
Even the V8 Supercars of today looks very different to those of 10 years ago.
I've have so tried to avoid this thread but it like a pebble in my shoe.
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Would it not be terrible to be 15 years old today?
Anyway... What's in it for a 15 year old? Mark Skaife had already won 2 Bathurst races before he was born. Peter Brock? Who is he? He won his last Bathurst in 1987.
On the plus side he would of never have seen Brock in a Ford.
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And I have recorded every telecast since 1984. I have just transfered everyone of them on DVDs.
I was born around this time but I seen the achive footage too.
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I saw the development of a road car into a race car through the seventies. This was really exciting stuff. We could relate to those race cars as you could buy the look alike in the shop. This lasted until 1984.
Then some do-gooders put us in the wilderness by making us compete against the Europeens. The do-gooders where anti-V8 and wanted to kill it off. Luckily, someone saw the light and the V8s returned in 1993 bigger than ever.
Okay now for a few truths the race car looklike actually lasted until 1993 when the Group A rules ended and the new National series began. As under the World Group A rules companies were required by FISA to produce 5000 copies a year in order to compete. Hence the creation of the Ax9, Six pack Valient, GTHO, Cosworth Serrias, M3, Brock specials, TWR commodores and the importation of the GTR. Under the same rules the car's body had to be the same for racing as for street use. If you wanted a Aero package on your race car then you had to sell on to the public. The same rules in rallying saw the creation of the Lancer Evolution although in rallying it was 2500 units. Other rules for Australian Touring Cars included that all parts had to be "stock;" that is, made by the manufacturer. No non-factory or aftermarket parts were allowed. Yet individual pieces could be lightened, polished, etched, or hardened. Tyres were to be no more than 10 inches and that all Group A cars had to have at least four seats, and minimum vehicle weight was related to engine displacement. The rules had been that way since the sixies when you had minis, jaguars, camaro, mustangs and le mans starts. Then later Moffart's RX7, HR31 skylines and 635 BMW. Then finally the Europeans had the audacity to bring out a 2.5 litre four cylinder engine the S14 and hope to compete againist a vee eight twice it's size (5 litres). The minis had tried this years earlier although a mini never pulled out and went past a Holden down Conrod. It was a true world series though and it allowed Australia to compete on the world stage its why Brock, Harvey and HDT went to SPA in 1988 with a Commodore. And Steve Soper & Pierre Dieudonne and the Eggenberger sierra came to Bathurst. (As of the first of this month it's also for sale for £49,000) Any rules changes had to be approved by FISA making it difficult on the Australian body CAMS to makes changes. Then came the GTR with it's modified road engine not the Ford Racing and Perfomance Parts "Windsor" or Chevrolet Aurora (made by Oddsmobile) race engine the grace the current cars and cost between 80 and 130,000 dollars depending on what state of performance you'd like your engine in. The GTR had teething problems to being with but within a year was crushing all before it while the GTR's of Richards and Skaife were making life difficult for the serrias and commodores here the Group A entry of Anders Olofsson / David Brabham / Naoki Hattori qualified on pole and lead the 1992 Spa 24 hour race from start to finish. The GT-R had a one minute lead before the end of the first hour. By the early morning - the GT-R was clear by three laps, eventually winning by a crushing 21 laps from the Porsche Carerra 2 in second. In the Group N class for standard production cars, the Nissan GT-R's finished 1-2. All three of the GT-R's crossed the finish line in formation. In Australia Skaife qualified on pole by more than a second. 1992 was coming to an end CAMS was in finanical trouble, a fight had broken out between FOCA (Formula One Constructors Assoication) and FISA over control over Formula One. England was moving towards its own two litre series and it was decide in Australia that a new series would begin also, revolving around Australian built family sedans the Holden Commodore and the Ford Falcon. Holden and Ford took the unprecedented step of releasing a joint letter to CAMS during Bathurst – telling them to get their act together and set the rules for 1993, or Holden and Ford would consider other forms of racing (NASCAR / AUSCAR). FOCA won the war againist FISA with FISA being incorporated back into the FIA (Federation International Automobilia). FIA still controls the rules of the vee eights but it more a rubber stamp now. Last year Ambrose got in trouble for not wearing a balaclava under the FIA rules. Seeing the light? more like beaten into submission.
I don't blame the Government, if I had 600 billion I'd be irresponsible too.
The carnival heats upBRYAN LITTLELY and CARA JENKIN March 03, 2007 01:15am
THE "blueprint" event responsible for the success of V8 Supercars has got off to a flying start with another record crowd of 66,700 yesterday.
And ideal weather with a forecast top of 28C for today's first 250km leg of the Clipsal 500 stands to further stamp it as the premier motorsport event in Australia.
All 31 listed drivers will make it on to the track today. That is despite some off-track rivalry between the Ford and Holden camps when WPS Racing boss Craig Gore called for Holden hero Mark Skaife to be dumped from the V8 Supercars board over a team ownership controversy.
The saga has Skaife racing at Clipsal on a 14-day reprieve from a possible full season suspension.
Mr Gore said Skaife was "a great ambassador for the sport", but it was not acceptable that the HRT team was given two weeks to answer allegations that he was not the sole owner. If there was a partner, they may not be approved.
As the big guns of the V8 Supercars raced around the track for the first time yesterday, with Jeld-Wen Motorsport driver James Courtney qualifying fastest to take pole position for today's start, South Australian Motor Sport Board chairman Roger Cook said Adelaide was the "blueprint" responsible for the success of the series.
"Our race in Adelaide set the standard for corporate facilities, spectator facilities, on-circuit television and FM radio commentary, and special attractions that have transformed the V8 Supercars from a series of races to one of the most popular sporting spectacles in Australia," Mr Cook said. "This simply would not have happened without the lead shown by the Clipsal 500 Adelaide.
"It's no coincidence that race organisers from China, New Zealand, Bahrain and other Australian states are told to come to our race in Adelaide by the V8 Supercar people to see how it should be done." Mr Cook said innovations such as extending the Clipsal 500 from three days to four, staging four on-course concerts, and other events including the Ladies Day luncheon and fashion parades together with family spectator areas and non-stop entertainment set the event apart.
"The formula is right and this year . . . we continue to add extra facilities, such as cool zones for spectators," he said.
Barry Sheene Grandstand-based fans Greg Thomas, Brad Jones and Nigel Smart said they hoped a proposed new grandstand in Victoria Park along the pit straight would benefit members of the public at future races.
"There should be more protected stands," Smart said
I was at the race today and it was fantastic. Ford didnt win to my dismay but I had a great time. Murray Walker was commentating and its good to see him back. The crowd was massive. I dont know how many they get at Bathurst but I imagine this must be the biggest race meet in Australia. If you havent been you dont know what you are missing out on.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” ~ Winston Churchill
this event is good for Adelaide, but does it fill the gap left by the F1 ? I know it been several years now, but I think South Australians are still bitter over this one.
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Wouldn't the World be a far better place if everyone just thought like I do
this event is good for Adelaide, but does it fill the gap left by the F1 ? I know it been several years now, but I think South Australians are still bitter over this one.
Originally yes. All of Adelaide was furious, but I think it was very much our fault we lost it. We had a massive void in the calendar and the V8s filled it perfectly.
I can honestly say now the Adelaide 500 is hands down more popular than the F1 ever was. People can relate to it a lot better. there was 300,000 people there this year. Any bitterness that was there has long since evaporated.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” ~ Winston Churchill
300,000 thats fantastic for Adelaide and the sport, I do love the V8s but not realy a fan of F1, they just snake around the track and only seem to pass in the pits, whereas the V8s dice for position, love it.
Television Doesn't Rule My Life .... But .....
Wouldn't the World be a far better place if everyone just thought like I do
They are trying to build a new pit straight grandstand for the Clipsal 500 instead of the temporary one . It would double as the victoria park racecourse grandstand but the fossils in the local council are blocking it. What is it about South Australia that wont allow this state to move forward. If you know the story you would be amazed at the mis information and lies being told by the opponents of the new grandstand. I think they deep down hate motor racing.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” ~ Winston Churchill
Clpisal was great, and did you see this weeks races I thought that ch7 did a good job I just hope that when the AFL season takes off they don't let the V8's suffer.
Television Doesn't Rule My Life .... But .....
Wouldn't the World be a far better place if everyone just thought like I do
Clpisal was great, and did you see this weeks races I thought that ch7 did a good job I just hope that when the AFL season takes off they don't let the V8's suffer.
Time will tell on that one.
I am a ford fan and watching this weeks races I am a little concerned as to how we will go this season. Bring on the new falcon (codenamed orion). Ch 7 did a good job in what looked like a seamless transition from ch 10.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” ~ Winston Churchill
^ yes ch7 are doing a good job, so far, lets hope it stays that way I only saw bits and peices as I was working all weekend, we need a few more Fords in the top 3, c'mon boys !
Television Doesn't Rule My Life .... But .....
Wouldn't the World be a far better place if everyone just thought like I do
it seems the general feeling of this thread is ch7 did a good job i think the first race in adelaide was pretty bad we had ads every five minutes bargallo was a little better however they are still not timing pit stops which i think especially in big races like bathurst is terrible who knows how they will cover that luckily they have a few months to get it right . lets hope they do .honestly it couldnt get much worse, im not just whinging go to the yahoo message boards and see how many people feel the same the coverage compared to channel 10 whilst we may get to see a few more races,qualifying etc they had the quality that ch7 is lacking.
did you see what happened on sunday with the race from NZ ? as there were a few safty car incident's, time was running out, so ch7 forced the race controlers to cut the race 8 laps short, to fit in the AFL,(which I know would have a larger audience ), but not all the driver knew that the race was shorter. SO ch 7 is this what we V8 fans will have to expect from now on when they are racing in different time zones eg WA .
Television Doesn't Rule My Life .... But .....
Wouldn't the World be a far better place if everyone just thought like I do
Um, also from Pukekohe (which I will miss) on Sat the race wasn't even live (not sure if Ch 7 advertised that way). I had a friend in NZ call, I was still watching and they said it had finished over 1 hr ago.
Looks like Ch 7 are using this (as with other sports they get their hands on) as a filler rather than a main event.
remember there is a 2 hour time difference, so thats why I assumed it was on so early here, but are you saying that it was not live at all ? bloody ch7, sell it bACK TO CH10
Television Doesn't Rule My Life .... But .....
Wouldn't the World be a far better place if everyone just thought like I do
i agree ch 10 did a way better job the coverage was 100% better sure we may not have gotten to see qualifying or in some cases the saturday race but at least we did get to see all of the sunday race. ch7 had a chance at v8s a few years ago and failed it appears they are about to do the same thing.
remember there is a 2 hour time difference, so thats why I assumed it was on so early here, but are you saying that it was not live at all ? bloody ch7, sell it bACK TO CH10
Don't worry, I have a lot to do with shipping and international date lines. If it's LIVE it should be on in Australia as well as in NZ (no matter the time difference). It had definitely finished when I got the call from NZ (over 1 hr to be precise) and they were still racing on Australian TV. Ch 7 YOU SUCK, give it back to 10 if you're not going to give it the prominence it deserves (that was Sat only as I couldn't bother to ring NZ on Sun to check).
but this is my point with ch7 did they only get it because it was rating well, after ch10 did such a good job on it, or did ch7 just want to be the sports gurus after ch9 , so if you are investing all that money then why not do the job properly ?, and if you watch sunrise you may have noticed, that when ch10 had the motor racing Koshie poo poo it, but now he's a rev head, please ,
Television Doesn't Rule My Life .... But .....
Wouldn't the World be a far better place if everyone just thought like I do
I'm also not sure about 7's actual broadcast. I don't have set top box (Digital) and the signal seems to be coming through on MONO. Now, I know it's just Motor Racing but is this 7 being cheap or encouraging people to buy set tops.
The longer the season goes on the more and more you are correct. Cutting the race early in NZ because of football commitments beggars belief.
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.” ~ Winston Churchill
apparently v8 supercars posted a notice on their site saying they will allow more time in the future , not sure about this had a look on the site myself and couldnt find the update but lets hope..................... also heard in this same notice that it was not channel 7's decision not sure of the truth . look it up on yahoo message boards under sports then theres a thread called complain to v8 supercars
Is it just me or is channel 7's telecast of the v8's DREADFUL to put it nicely....they miss almost every single accident that happens....and when they flick to the pit crew who are relying on them to see what has happened to their driver, they have nothing to see cause channel 7 are never in the right place at the right time. At least channel 10 did a good job on their coverage....God help us when bathurst comes around, who knows how much we'll miss with that one.
Ford's Jamie Whincup completed a superb opening round of the V8 Supercar series with a victory in race two of the Clipsal 500 race in Adelaide on Sunday afternoon.
After winning yesterday's opening race, Whincup again dominated the field to win the second 250-kilometre race.
Whincup, last season's runner-up to Holden's Garth Tander, finished first ahead of Lee Holdsworth with Cameron McConville clinching third place.
But the weekend was marred by two incidents which have left three drivers hospitalised.
Ashley Cooper, 27, remains on life support in the Royal Adelaide Hospital after a crash yesterday morning.
Meanwhile, Matt Kingsley from Queensland is in a critical condition following another crash this morning.
Craig Dontas and former rugby league player Jack Elsegood are in a stable condition and are expected to be released from hospital today.
The South Australian Premier Mike Rann says he feared crashes as serious as these over the event's 10-year history.
"We take massive precautions. We walk the drivers and the officials through the course," he said.
"The course here is accredited to the very highest safety standards in the world and is in fact constantly re-evaluated and rechecked... but there's going to be an inquiry, there should be an inquiry and we'll do whatever is necessary."
Since Ford have removed their support from a couple of teams for next year i thought a good Place to turn to for craig Lowndes would be to have Kleenex sponser him, considering he's always crying about something or someone....lol
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fella myself Love it all and since you got it all on DVD did ya see on the hill in '85 channel 7 BBQ !!
