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I am not.. What about yous? What is your take on religion?
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Grammar, Dara! Tsk tsk.  The plural of you is you (bit like sheep and sheep). None of those answers suit me. I am more than a little bit religious and less than very religious. |
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Sorry about the grammar, I know it's wrong but :S Lol well you are in the middle so i think you picked the right answer  |
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I'm not religious, but I still go to church when my school focres us and I respect their ways. |
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Not in the traditional sense ie organised religion but i do believe in things like karma.
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I class myself a Christian, yet do not class myself religious. Does that make sense, it does to me. I have christian principles which I believe in and try to live by, although sometimes I think I fail badly at living up to my own standards of what is right and wrong. I do not go to church, but I do not feel less of a christian because of it. there really is no answer in the poll that suits me............... |
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christian principles. just make your own principles. you can still be a good person.
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christian principles. just make your own principles. you can still be a good person...
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I class myself a Christian, yet do not class myself religious. Does that make sense, it does to me. I have christian principles which I believe in and try to live by, although sometimes I think I fail badly at living up to my own standards of what is right and wrong. I do not go to church, but I do not feel less of a christian because of it. there really is no answer in the poll that suits me...............
You are spot on on how I feel, Lawnbowler. Yes, I do go to a private school, Dara. |
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I class myself a Christian, yet do not class myself religious. Does that make sense, it does to me. I have christian principles which I believe in and try to live by, although sometimes I think I fail badly at living up to my own standards of what is right and wrong. I do not go to church, but I do not feel less of a christian because of it. there really is no answer in the poll that suits me...............
I answered "A little bit" for similar reasons, but also because 'religious' kind of implies affiliation and acceptance of the larger body that is associated with the beleif and Church isn't a bad thing, especially most Christian churches, however it does seem to me that it's built up more, in the end or how it serves to function, on just a social environment than it does on spiritual fellowship and this quite frankly can easily ruin the whole thing quickly for me. It creates gossip and pride and gossip always annoys the living piss out of me.. it's a charactor flaw of my own. I get very aggravated when I learn that I've been gossiped about and supprise, supprise that 90% of the time it's simply not true. If people said true things about me I couldn't complain for very long before having to admit it to myself... this is NOT what happens in any church "fellowship" that I've been close enough to, to make a fair observation. I've never been bit that hard by church gossip because I've had the good sense to get away from it before it could. With gossip of course comes pride, saving face, and all the fun energy involved with that. It's never been a problem for me except that I have felt very tense when figuring out how much myself I could be around people I know who are heavily involved with their churches. Usually there's nothing at all to worry about but don't go act like that near the church building itself or when there's more than 4 members present who also don't know their comfort level with each other... it's pretty silly when it's examined. Pride also with some people... how well they know their bibles, that they can quote scripture that applies to common sense like um... someone says "Look both ways before you cross the street" and there's always the one guy who can say "That's just like when God said to Noah...." Very annoying are preachers who's position has put them in a self delusionally proud space, narrowmined to externel suggestion. I completely understand how this happens all the way to the degree that when I've met people who've held those positions for a long time and don't seem to be up themselves, I find myself impressed and wonder how they maintain a healthy attitude with this. Despite understanding how it happens. It's still very annoying. I was brought up as an Athiest and later recognised Jesus so as a result I never learned fear of the guy up on the stage or felt that he was in any way differant then me. In fact I started out as a non-beileiver thinking that that guy was a gigantic moron so I wasn't influenced to respect him any more than any other stranger. I of course figured out that he isn't a moron (usually) and that opening up to what he has to say can be good so long as it isn't taken as the word of God. On the stage and off the stage are 2 entirely differant things though. Continuing from a couple of paragraphs above (I've gotten lost) about preachers being easily sucked into and blinded by pride, I have gone to church, and while talking to the guy who gave the sermon about the sermon, and pointing out that it was very good and could only be improved by being less harsh toward sinners and non-beleivers themselves by not calling them "The Devil" would be a good idea because not everyone in the churce is a beleiver and it isolotes them and makes them defensive and not open... I felt this was the easiest, most effective, and most non-confrontational way to put it. His response was that I don't know Jesus and am going to hell if that doesn't change. Here's a conversation with another pastor about not much other than applying the bible to something I just said about my wife. This was in pre-marital counsiling which for people who don't know what that is, is something that a lot pastors do in attempt to filter out the people who are going to get divorced next week, because they can then go home and sleep better that they know they haven't blatently used their state given authority on something that was a horrible idea. It seems okay to me that someone would want to sleep better at night. Me: -"...what can get to me though is that sometimes if she's afraid of what I might say on the phone to someone she'll snatch the phone right out of my hand. That really makes me mad but she doesn't do that anymore." -Pastor "Dean... is it ever okay to become angry?" - "...it is going to happen" - "Dean... is it ever okay to become angry?" - "it does happen" - "Dean... is it ever okay to become angry?" The above continues and was left unresolved. We left it at him being perfect and free of sin... that's how far it went. Also this guy reckoned we were living in sing by not going to church every Sunday which he had a big problem with. This was the first pastor that we interviewed, as he interviewed us, and after this we couldn't be bothered but to go to a celebrant who wasn't religiously affiliated. A lot of Catholics just plain accept the idea that many aspects of their religiousness is fundamentally flawed. It's good to see that they admit it. It's can still be fun to pick on Catholosism at the same time though. Okay so despite these rather significant things, church does have good things about it. It is a place to renew faith and be reminded and conceed who is in charge, on a regular basis (or twice yearly in my case). I don't hate church, there are some things about it that keep me away and they also frankly make good excuses because I don't always want to go out of my way to go there. I'm going today. Today is one of my twice yearly visits. I'm not going to hear a sermon, sing,... well I am, but the reason I'll be there is to see someone that will also be there and that I might not get another chance to see after today. The very worst that can generally come of this is that I'll be bored for a while. Probably I'll find it was at some level usefull though. That was a long a** post for saying "Church, in excess, is not something I find beneficial for myself but a bit the opposite." I was meaning to make another statement that was making this much more relevant to the previous discussion but I forgot what that is now. |
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That was a long post!
My belief is that god does not exist in the sense that christians think,that's a myth. It's odd that in our age people still believe in god in that way.
Christianity is like the simple version for us stupid humans so we don't have to think for ourselves and the reality i believe is far more complex.
If you know of books like Chariots of the Gods by Von Daniken,God Drives a Flying Saucer by R l Dione or Genesis Revisited by Zecharia Sitchin then you know where i'm coming from.
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I reckon god exists in peoples heads, if they believe then gods real for them. I don't believe god created the earth or anything though. |
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I'm Spiritual but NOT religious. I do not believe in formalised 'Religion'. I have run the full gammut of believing, not believing, kind of believing in my 50 years. Raised a 'Church of Englander', disbeliever, 'Born Again', and an Epiphany a few years ago (after my second divorce) that took me to where I am now. My views are very similar, if not the same as Fajo's. I believe very much in Karma. I meditate every day to keep my spirit balanced. What I have written here is just the tip of the ice-berg. I believe in reincarnation whereas once I was totally averse to the idea. Hence my signature below! My signature has changed since I first wrote this but it said..... 'You are not a body with a spirit but a spirit with a body' 'Each to their own' is my personal adage as well. |
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Yeah, each to their own is really the only thing you can say about religion. |
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No I don't believe in god. |
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No I don't believe in god. |
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Neither  62.5% don't. 25% do. 12.5% do a little bit. Cool. |
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Neither  62.5% don't. 25% do. 12.5% do a little bit. Cool.
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I used to go to church, now I don't.
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I like Dara's and SuziH's answers.
Anyone who has been to the religious thread knows where I stand. Agnostic now after being raised a Catholic, Catholic schools and all, with strict Catholic parents (especially mum, now resting in peace) who turned away from the Church for reasons I wont iterate here.
I believe something started it all and set the physical laws for the universe, but that's as far as it goes, we have been in freefall ever since. All the signs and observations of the universe from the macro to the minisucle and forces beyond even that tell us that is the case. Nowhere can there be seen a controlling or guiding hand. As proof do a search on GRBs (gamma ray bursts) and see how scary the universe is and how insignificant and tentative our existance is.
I believe a lot in the power of self as others have intimated. There are many studies where children have grown up with no religious or parental guidance (for whatever reason) and overwhelmingly they inherently know what is good and what is evil. It is inate, you don't need religion to teach it to you.
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i believe in God and always will! |
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well i would sya im a christain, but my mum forces me to church sometimes, but now only once in a blue moon... i hate going its boring i dont understand anything... so i guess thats why she stopped making me go plus she hates the priest well not hate but anyway he is leaving the church in only a few days.. but that priest is like terrible he is rude and stuff and back stabbed my mum who "WAS" the treasurer for the churhc but she resigned last night becuz of what the stuppid priest did to her....!!! SO i guess not much chruch... woah im way off the topic..... i said a little bit, becuz im not really religious, but i do believe in god and like yer... |
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I am Humanist. Humanism Philosophy is a variety of ethical theory and practice that emphasizes reason, scientific inquiry, and human fulfillment in the natural world and often rejects the importance of belief in God. I am considerate of others because they are human and to animals and the enviroment because I am responsible for them and they make my life better. Simple. |
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I dont think I fit in any of these categories. Im not religios, but not aggainst it, I dont not believe in god but I dont neccasarily believe in it either. Im a bit of a drifter. But I sure as hell dont think Scientology is a religion, rather a manipulative CULT. |
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Scientology IS a cult. No questions about it. I doubt that anybody in their right mind would join scientology unless they have something to gain out of it (which they most likely do). For God's sake, it was invented by a sci-fi nerd some 50 years ago. Maybe its followers get unrestricted access to every Star Trek episode and movie ever made.   |
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Scientology IS a cult. Maybe its followers get unrestricted access to every Star Trek episode and movie ever made.  
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Lowie you are agnostic then? |
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I attend church faithfully every Sunday, but the "church building" is just where we as Chrisitians choose to worship. As long as you have accepted Christ into your heart as your Lord and Savior it is appropriate to worship any where you please. The Bible shows many instances of "Church" taking place outside, and alters being built outside. airgo- "church" is just more than one believer getting together and giving God the glory he is deserving of. Keep up the Faith |
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It's cool how evenly split this poll is. Lumping them together there's 10 non's, 12 believers and 5 undecided's. |
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If you add the No's and the No-way's =13 The Yes's and the agnostic's also =13 and the 'little bits' as undecided...
Then it is even religious and non-religious.....interesting |
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lots of viewers, not many voters.... even score again  if you count a little bit and completely against the rest |
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