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Vecordious
July 6, 2006, 11:02am Report to Moderator

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So... looks like they went ahead and testfired their missles anyway.


http://www.smh.com.au/news/world/north-korea-sparks-world-outrage/2006/07/05/1151779016208.html



Countries are threatening economic sanctions and this was in the SMH article

"In the past North Korea has said it would regard economic sanctions as an act of war."

Brilliant. Are we looking at WW3?


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July 6, 2006, 1:36pm Report to Moderator

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Oil, stocks react

Stock markets around the world closed lower after the tests, while oil closed in New York Wednesday at a record high above $75 a barrel.

http://edition.cnn.com/2006/BUSINESS/07/05/oil.price/index.html


Great, more excuse for rising petrol costs  


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It is nothing more, nothing less that another form of terrorism to upset the Western World.

Every single one of us will be punished by North Korea when next week we pay 5 cents more for petrol.

This is your reason why the US invade countries.
It is not to steal petrol.
It is to keep the price of petrol affordable.

It is very well to call the US the baddie and the big bullie.

But don't forget that everyone of us need the stuff as much as the US does. I hate to think how much petrol would cost if the US had never set foot in the Middle East. Probably $10.00 a litre?

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July 7, 2006, 8:18am Report to Moderator

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was that the U.S. does NOT get their oil from the Middle East and neither do we. So why then would the price of petrol go up when the supplies being affected are not our sources?

Seems like petrol companies are using any excuse to raise the prices.


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What the heck does North Korea have to do with oil? What reason does OPEC have to raise prices? Based on the fear of a nuclear war?

At what point does petrol become unaffordable? It's at roughly $1.40 a litre now, I remember the good old days when I was at Uni it was as low as 56 cents a litre, never cost me much more than $30 to fill up my 4 cylinder Toyota T-18!

If the Government wasn't profiting so much from every litre of petrol they might be motivated to do something about it!

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This is your reason why the US invade countries.
It is not to steal petrol.


Yes it is.

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It is to keep the price of petrol affordable.

It is very well to call the US the baddie and the big bullie.

But don't forget that everyone of us need the stuff as much as the US does. I hate to think how much petrol would cost if the US had never set foot in the Middle East. Probably $10.00 a litre?


Do you believe that petrol prices are ever going to go down again? And the U.S. is in control of Iraq's oil now! Petrol will become unaffordable with increasing demand and the increasing greed of Western Governments, OPEC and oil companies.

Once again, the only losers will be us.

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Petrol? The problem wont be fixed till Governments and Petrol companies stop being greedy. And thats likely to happen!

But back to Korea I dont like the tought of another country with nuclear power.
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was that the U.S. does NOT get their oil from the Middle East and neither do we. So why then would the price of petrol go up when the supplies being affected are not our sources?


Everytime there is a fright of a war starting...
It put pressure on the petrol reserves.

Believe it or not, but it does require a lot of petrol to go to war.

Those American bombers don't fly on thin air.
And the ground troops don't move on bicycle.



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But don't forget that everyone of us need the stuff as much as the US does. I hate to think how much petrol would cost if the US had never set foot in the Middle East. Probably $10.00 a litre?




And by the reasons you have given in your last post:


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Everytime there is a fright of a war starting...
It put pressure on the petrol reserves.




Then petrol would NEVER have gone up in price had the U.S. not set foot in the middle east. So I don't think the U.S. invasion is what's keeping petrol prices down. That's a slightly deluded point of view IMO.

Again, I don't see the logic behind the hysteria that petrol companies seem to adopt everytime the wind blows in the wrong direction and this issue with North Korea, which they're still trying to figure out, does not warrant the price hike that everyone is panicking over.

The belief is that North Korea is just flexing some military muscle and basically showing off. Defying the U.N. like a disobedient child when told, "No, you may NOT do that." and going ahead with it just to be a brat.

I don't think North Korea is silly enough to start a war because every country that owns a long-range missle will have it pointed in their direction. They would probably be obliterated before their missle can reach it's first target.

Having said that, the only image I have of Kim Jong Il is from the movie Team America. heh heh... "I'm so ronery...."  Maybe he is and he just wants some attention. Awww... poor fella.


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Quoted from vecordious
Correct me if I'm wrong, but my understanding was that the U.S. does NOT get their oil from the Middle East and neither do we. So why then would the price of petrol go up when the supplies being affected are not our sources?

Seems like petrol companies are using any excuse to raise the prices.

The US does get most of its foreign oil from the M.E. (Saudia Arabia but increasingly Iraq) but it wants to break that dependence. Hence one reason it invaded Iraq (the world's second largest deposits of oil with surveys saying it has the potential for the largest, though Wikipedia says Canada has the second largest). It is also why Bush has repealed an Arctic wilderness park and will allow oil exploration and drilling in a pristine wilderness that will destroy the last great migratory route of the polar bear and wipe out several species in the areas.

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United States proven oil reserves declined to a little more than 21 gigabarrels by the end of 2004 according to the Energy Information Administration, a 46% decline from the 39 gigabarrels it had in 1970 when the huge Alaska North Slope reserves were booked. Since there have been millions of oil wells drilled in the US and there is nowhere left for an elephant the size of ANS to remain hidden, it appears that US oil reserves are on a permanent downward slide. As oil fields get closer to the end of production, estimates of what is left characteristically become more accurate. Thus, US oil reserve numbers can be considered very accurate compared those of the Middle East, Alberta and Venezuela.


Yet America remains the largest consumer of oil in the world (and still the biggest polluter).

This puts it into some context:
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The United States, by far the largest consumer of oil, consumed 20.7 million barrels of oil per day in 2004, according to the Energy Information Administration. That's 870 million gallons of crude oil, 435 million of which was used for gasoline. The second-largest consumer, China, consumed 6.5 million barrels per day.

Look how far ahead of the second biggest consumer the US is and there is daylight between the US and the rest of the world. Those who say Iraq wasn't invaded because of its oil certainly have their heads in the sand. As the Washington Post once said if Iraq was the second biggest producer of Broccoli in the world Saddam would still be in power today.

Yes the oil companies are profiteering at every whim but they are doing so knowing they have dwindling reserves and must make hay whilst the sunshines and it us poor consumers who must suffer America's greed and refusal to wean itself off V8 and V10 SUV's (it's their right they will tell you).


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V10?
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V10?


http://www.automotive.com/used-cars/classifieds/40/suvs/chevrolet/v10/index.html
http://www.motoring.co.za/index.php?fSectionId=755&fArticleId=2156725
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors.....Z31834QQcmdZViewItem
http://www.voidstar.com/node.php?id=2492
http://www.drivecny.com/global/story.asp?s=2590926

The Chevvy V10 SUV is the most common but there are Ford Excursion V10s and of course the Volkswagon Tourag V10. All are popular vehicles in the US and hardly anywhere else in the world.


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It is nothing more, nothing less that another form of terrorism to upset the Western World.


And we instigated sanctions against the US for developing intercontinental missiles when?
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And we instigated sanctions against the US for developing intercontinental missiles when?


But, but, Dear Friend...

This is not how things work...

We are the good guys...

We have missiles for the sole purpose of preventing the bad guys getting them.

If Germany and Japan did had nuclear weapons in 1942, you think that they would have thought twice about using them?
We probably would not be here today talking about it.

All the paranoia about the USA is just that. Paranoia.

Meantime, half of the things we are enjoying everyday comes directly or indirectly from the USA.
If Bill Gates had not put a computer in every home, you could not be on this forum. In fact, this forum would not exist.
Sure... Someone else would have done it.
But the fact of the matter is that they did not.
So, lets give a little credit where the credit is due.



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Looks like Japan is gearing up for some fisticuffs.



"JAPAN wants the power to stage a pre-emptive strike against weapons bases in North Korea, political leaders in Tokyo said, even as the United States argued that diplomacy could defuse the threat from Pyongyang."


Full article here: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2006/07/10/1152383678544.html


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If Germany and Japan did had nuclear weapons in 1942, you think that they would have thought twice about using them?
We probably would not be here today talking about it.

All the paranoia about the USA is just that. Paranoia.





Wait a minute, didn't the USA drop TWO atom bombs on Japan? Who else in this world has used that kind of military power like that? How do you know the USA isn't going to use their nuclear weapons against another country? Paranoia my ar$e.


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