I don't think she felt it was okay. I think she said that it was okay and wasn't really done processing her feelings.
I watched the little clip and me and my wife were both saying "Why did she stay in the bed?" but now thinking about it, perhaps she just didn't really know how to react and was at a loss and acted as if things were normal as a result. It's not hard for me to look at it like that because I might react simalarly.
People deal with things that shock and invade them differantly and my personal instinct has been to keep my head and defuse things by not letting it bother me at the particular moment... sort of minimising the power someone's actions might have at the moment and thereby making it a futile thing for them to continue, and I dis-associate for the time being in order to acheive it and it isn't something that I developed consciously... it's just what I do. Perhaps this what Camilla did. I say this because when she was asked about it by Big Brother she knew very well what he was on about without having to be told. She clearly was not comfortable that it happened, at that point in time. She said that it shouldn't have happend.
I can understand that she... I can't say it was a good decision for her to decide to let it go and find some spot where she can be somewhat okay with it, but I think it's wrong to say what she should have done. Also, we find ourselves watching from the outside and we don't understand completely why it might seem easier for her to not make an issue of it further than what she had to or why she might feel guity and responsible for them having been pulled from the house. I think it's not something that we should expect her to be able to form clear convictions about right away. She was a little confused when Big Brother talked to her, on the one hand saying that it shouldn't have happened, that it was disrespectful wrong, on the other wanting to defend their actions.. but when it really came to it she had troubles doing that and had to give in to herself that there was no defending it.
When people are in a situation like that, where their reality is defined by the people around them and all the influences that they have, the thing to do is to get by as best you can within that framework and that's what she did and I don't think it's fair to judge her by suggesting that she was done forming her feelings. Now that they are not there, the threat is removed and she doesn't have to deal with it... and that's good.
I read a post in the other thread that went something like this "the guys involved are at fault because.... ... and Camilla is at fault because..." and I didn't really read the previous posts not did I finish that one but I thought, "It's her fault that what? those guys got pulled out... no... that she was held in place by one so the other could give her an unhappy supprise...no... what then? What is her fault?" and in relation to that post, the answer is "nothing." Nothing was her fault.
And what about the way the other housemates reacted... upset that they were taken out. Who were they upset with? Where they upset with Ashley and John for being idiots? Didn't seem like it all that much... Krystal even unable to get it through her head that it wasn't something where they were locked away in something like the revenge room to come back later. Where's the criticism of that... she couldn't even wrap her head around the fact that something wrong had happened... but she's not under scrutiny. Jamie cried that he lost his friends... I don't beleive that he was upset with them so much but with the situation. If these assertions about Jamie and Krystal are true, would it be fair to say that their attitiude and understanding of it will change over the next day, week, year? Yes it would be fair to say that. Why not Camilla then? Certainly she is the most effected and has the most to process. I don't think it's fair that we should expect her to finalise her feelings. It's very easy to be watching from the outside and have an opinion when it's not happening to you. Deciding that someone is disgracefull because they've not reacted how we would like them to is... obviously judgemental. If you were in her situation, would it be helpfull that the world was patient and accepting of you or that it was harsh and critical.
Perhaps somewhere in there she feels like a slut that it happened at all... that it was her fault, that she asked for it to happen, that she must have wanted it. That would really suck to feel like that and then additionally re-enter the world to run into people who felt you should be persecuted somehow... but for all kinds of differant reasons from differant people. The truth is that we don't know what's going on with Camilla, we don't know what she will formulate about it next week or next year... and that's all we know.
Furthermore, we don't really know all that much about how she got into the situation. There's a lot to assume from a short clip. And to go on we don't know what she makes of that either, or what she'll make of it tommorrow, or next year.
My first reaction was that she put herself in a bad situation and that she was lacking that she didn't do more about it. I've changed my mind in the respect that I don't know and even if that it the case... it's not my job to be so judgemental.... that would be the easy selfish attitude to take and why the hell should I feel like that toward someone who I'm not even personally involved for it to annoy me or effect me when I could just as easily decide to be accepting of the whole thing as a learning process that doesn't require my intervention such as propogating the opinion that she is bad or wrong or whatever form of ill.
Krystal even unable to get it through her head that it wasn't something where they were locked away in something like the revenge room to come back later. Where's the criticism of that... she couldn't even wrap her head around the fact that something wrong had happened... but she's not under scrutiny. Jamie cried that he lost his friends... I don't beleive that he was upset with them so much but with the situation.
I've seen lots of people critisising krys over saying "bb are they coming back". When your in the house it's different, she wanted to know if it was temporary or not. She comfortated camilla after that. Krystal did nothing wrong. Jamie did just lose all his friendsof course he'd be sad. He was trying to comfort camilla until david yelled at him, he calls her cammy in a affectionate way, i think they are pretty good friends. also the housemates didn't know what happened until after they left the diary room so she wouldnt know what happened. i agree with suzi, camilla is saying this is an ok thing by saying it was a joke and laughing about it so there she was in the wrong. But krystal and jamie are innocent! (Krys FTW!)
You miss the point that laughing can be a defense mechanism and more that we really don't know what the case was.
I remember that Krystal was asking if they were coming back after Camilla had told them what happened. That was intended though, to illustrate that someone else who completely disregarded it as very relevant is not the subject of much debate but that the immediate actions of the person who was actually victimised is... although I haven't much been following the debate... and Krystal is rather dumb.
Assuming that she does see it as nothing more than a joke. What specifically do you mean when you say that she was in the wrong? Who did she wrong in this scenario? Do you mean that you don't like her because of it or that she has done something that was harmfull?
Was she a bad role model? Was she meant to be role modeling? Does the media reaction to this give a stronger role model? More importantly, what role modeling do we do when we label her quickly?
No I never liked Camilla, ask anyone I have disliked her from the start. She's in the wrong because.. well I can't explain it well, read what suzi wrote cuz I agree with that. Sorry if I missed the point I read the whole post but it was very long :S Maybe she is dumb, she's not mean though, she wasn't blaming camilla or anything?
I understand your point MeanDean that Camilla is not blame for John & Ash crossing the line and essentially sexually harassing her. What makes it worse is they were joking about it the next day, which is really quite sick. Ash didn't respect Camilla from the beginning. I think way too many women find themselves in similar situations and are too embarrassed to protest for fear of being disliked.
There's the other side of me that says her self-promoted promiscuity and constant craving for male attention contributed to this incident. Insecurity and wanting male attention gets a lot of women into trouble as they tend to lose their ability to judge character. We could tell Ash was creepy, why did she trust him? But then again does a woman deserve to be violated for making a bad decision? Definitely not.
Unfortunately some boys/men don't seem to know when to stop especially when they're dealing with someone that might be considered "easy".
But the law is the law, Camilla did say no and the boys continued with their prank and they must be held responsible and had to be thrown out.
In an ideal world men would have self-control and would not behave like pigs and women wouldn't exploit themselves sexually to get attention from men. But at the end of the day women using sex to attract men is not illegal (excluding prostitution), but men sexually harassing or assulting women is.
I haven't been reading the thread much so maybe I'm not outspoken but I'm glad someone agrees.
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Maybe she is dumb, she's not mean though, she wasn't blaming camilla or anything?
L0L. Sorry, I got carried away. She's not dumb. I actually went back and edited that in because I think she had a blonde momenet at the time is what happened.
co's for a while there, i was becoming a bit worried about what many people with good taste may think of this credible & extremely exciting show. but just having read that link above, it's just such a relief to know that it was in fact ...' Just A Joke '. and perhaps now, the majority will now have some respect for what this show really is !
and that is ..........IT'S STILL COMPLETELY SH*T !!!!!
Earlier I had posted a bunch of rows of moving text that looked like this sort of stuff. <<<<<<<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> <<< <<< <<< <<< I kept editing and adding more junk, and my computer actually couldn't handle it because I made them so long that it would take 3 to 5 minutes for em to scroll off the screen. It froze my system. I came back and cut the text to about a 1/4 and my cpu usage was jumping between 11 and 20 percent, sitting on zero pretty much right now, and running a test on my graphics card had me running only 4/5 of what I did after closing the page.
I deleted the post.
Edit: Not that my computer sucks, but pobably because it forced emulation of a large amount of ridiculous numbers. Widows would have crashed sooner
The above posts that are moving like a conveyor belt in a factory are making me motion sick... I remember that Asparagus Season at the Edgell's Cannery in my old home town and sorting the asparagus spears out off the conveyor belts. I had to have smelling salts every day for motion sickness! No more moving posts, please. Ble-urk
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