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aquamonkey
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Stuff the family first party. Aqua why should parents be worried about teens watching the show? For one it wasn't even aired on TV, secondly only the really conventional stuffy fuddy duddy parents would care about teens watching BB, or the really religious type.

See the thing is as noted family first handed votes to the liberals which helped them gain a senate majority, therefore they can call in favours say for example from the communications minister (that's when helen isn't explosing children to profanity while demonstrating the virtues of porn filters)

I think a lot of (responsible) parents would care about the kids watching BB, if not just for how moronic it is, it's pretty crude as well, as has been well and truely demonstrated!


      


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Yeah but aqua there's a difference between kids watching big brother and teenagers watching big brother. Maybe the little years 1's and 2's shouldn't watch it but I see nothing wrong with older people watching BB, for one the daily show isn't at all offensive and even if it was, like people don't swear etc in the real world anyway.
Just because someone watches BB it doesn't mean their parents are responsible/ irresponsible,everyone should be able to make their own mind up.
Once the kids hit say 10 I reckon BB is alright for them.
The incident on BB was never aired, no kid has seen it. So what's the problem?
Those stuffy polititions are just trying to appeal to the heavily religious don't watch anything above G rated parents and the over protective parents.
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Audition!?!?!?!? You really are out of your mind. I have this thing called a job for one thing that would prevent me from slipping out of the real world for a few months



I'm not at all out of my mind, I was merely wondering what caused your obvious built up resentment towards big brother.



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hmmm you think one guy holding a girl down while another pulls the tackle out an smacks her on the head with it is OK. Teenagers wouldn't see that as being acceptable behaviour? Theirs a few guys in prison doing about 20 years because they didn't know where the line should be drawn on acceptable behavior with women.

The reason I don't like the show is because it's moronic smut. Number one concern of a big brother housemate "do I look good".

That's the end for me on this subject and I hope their's no BB07


      


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Once the kids hit say 10 I reckon BB is alright for them.
The incident on BB was never aired, no kid has seen it. So what's the problem?
Those stuffy polititions are just trying to appeal to the heavily religious don't watch anything above G rated parents and the over protective parents.
pfft.


Never aired??. .  .that is where you are wrong. . . it was live 'streamed' into every '3' handset that was on at the time  . .including young teens who were up watching the Soccer or Wimbeldon.

The ownership of the brand of phone  (especially as a pre-paid) is open to all even 12-13 year olds . . so that kind of live vision is unacceptable.

I agree with aquamonkey on this. . if such c*** is allowed to be shown . .where do women get help when they are in court trying to convince a judge that they were raped/assaulted . . .when the criminal just points to a breakdown in TV standards to 'get off the hook'.




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I agree with AquaMonkey mindless dribble

Apart from that the way i see it "You sell your soul you get whats comming"


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hmmm you think one guy holding a girl down while another pulls the tackle out an smacks her on the head with it is OK. Teenagers wouldn't see that as being acceptable behaviour? Theirs a few guys in prison doing about 20 years because they didn't know where the line should be drawn on acceptable behavior with women.

The reason I don't like the show is because it's moronic smut. Number one concern of a big brother housemate "do I look good".

That's the end for me on this subject and I hope their's no BB07


I never said that what they did was ok, I think it is gross behavior and I'd hate for someone to do that to me. What I am saying is that teens have the right to watch BB if they want to, you may not like it but plenty of people find it interesting.
Hey gizmo, I meant it was never aired on tv not the live cam ps nice avatar!



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The reason I don't like the show is because it's moronic smut. Number one concern of a big brother housemate "do I look good".


How would you know their number 1 concern you don't even watch the show! I seriously doubt that's their number 1 concern unless you are saying " do i look good in the publics eye"
And how is it smut? Ok adults only was a bit iffy but that's gone now, all the other shows are perfectly ok.



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I suspect Aqua is of a similar mind to me regarding BB.  What I object to (apart from the fact that it is inane and mindless drivel ) is the way that the show appears to promote a lack of basic, decent values.  It flaunts inappropriate language/behaviour and lack of manners and seems to boast to its audience "it's okay to act like this".  People, especially the young, are impressionalbe and what they see on TV is often reflected in their lives.  BB isn't the only show that does this, of that I am sure, but it is the only show that is so blatantly "in ya face" about it.


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Australian PM demands Brother axe

Australia's Prime Minister John Howard has called for the country's Big Brother to be axed after allegations of sexual assault on the reality TV show.
Police investigated the programme over the weekend after a female contestant claimed a man held her down while another rubbed his crotch in her face.

No charges were made, but two men have been thrown off the programme.

"Here is a great opportunity for a bit of self-regulation and get this stupid programme off the air," said Mr Howard.

"It is just a question of good taste," Howard told Australian radio as he condemned the show, broadcast by Network Ten.

Federal Communications Minister Helen Coonan has referred the programme to Australia's television standards watchdog.

But Network Ten issued a statement reaffirming its commitment to the programme.

"Big Brother adheres to all broadcasting codes of practice and all relevant rules and regulations," it said.

The programme's producers said two housemates had been pulled from the show because they broke the programme's rules of conduct.

No footage of the incident which led to their eviction was shown on the programme, which is now in its sixth series in Australia.

The format has been a hit for broadcasters around the world since it made its debut in the Netherlands in 1999.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/5139856.stm

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Now for a reality check - no one can put Big Brother in his place

BIG BROTHER may have overstepped the line but the truth is a lack of up-to-date rules means little can be done to rein in the reality show.

The media watchdog, the Australian Communications and Media Authority, cannot get its teeth into the program, whose latest breach did not occur on TV but on live internet footage that went out at 4.17am last Saturday. The authority's powers are limited to TV and radio broadcasts and stored internet content.

The live web footage that streamed out of the Big Brother house featured the alleged sexual assault of a female housemate. Acting on it was not in the watchdog's bailiwick, nor anyone else's, a spokesman for the authority conceded yesterday. And even if it had been screened on TV, disciplining Network Ten would have been "a convoluted" process requiring viewer complaints and an investigation.

As the network stood by its program, the Prime Minister, John Howard, labelled the show stupid and called for Ten to axe it. "It is just a question of good taste and I don't like heavy-handed regulation," he said.

"The business community is always saying to me 'let us self-regulate'. Well here's a great opportunity for Channel Ten to do a bit of self-regulation and get this stupid program off the air."

Ten's head of production and development, Tim Clucas, said that not only would the series continue but another was being planned for next year.

The show threw its critics into apoplexy when the internet footage appeared to show Michael Cox, 20, rubbing his crotch in the face of Camilla Halliwell, 22, while Michael Bric, 21, held her. The police were notified but decided to take no action.

Ms Halliwell told viewers: "We laughed it off. As soon as I said 'enough's enough' it stopped."

The men were booted off the show for breaching the Big Brother rule "about respecting each other", Mr Clucas said.

The footage was not aired on TV and never would be. People needed to differentiate between the show and the house. "This was a bit of fun that went too far."

Although Ten took the incident seriously enough to evict the two housemates, in a last-minute interview screened at 9.45pm, host Gretel Killeen blamed the media for beating up the story.

"It's not our intention to sensationalise," she said, before interviewing the evicted housemates. The pair told her they had not meant to hurt or offend Ms Halliwell. They had only been "mucking around". They said they were respectful of women and the incident was a practical joke gone sour.

"We only intended to have a bit of fun with Camilla," said Bric, known on the program as John. The pair said they were having a lot of mixed emotions. "If we could turn back time we obviously would do it," Bric added.

The Labor leader, Kim Beazley, has stepped up his calls for the show to be axed. "As a dad, I don't like seeing young women treated that way."

The Communications Minister, Helen Coonan, was furious that Ms Halliwell was paraded on Sunday night's episode apologising to the two men. "It is very regrettable that Camilla was made to cry and made to feel that she had done the wrong thing and somehow or other was responsible for these guys getting evicted," she said.

Senator Coonan said the show's constant sexual advances towards women "ruthlessly reinforce the kind of notion that women are objects".

The Democrats senator Andrew Bartlett was a lone voice of dissent, saying politicians had no place trying to ban a "lame television show".

"If anyone in the Big Brother house broke the law then it can be dealt with by the legal system. Attempting to force a television show off the air because of an incident that wasn't even screened is an excessive intrusion into the lives of Australians by moralising, preaching politicians."

http://www.smh.com.au/news/tv-.....3/1151778873551.html
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Attempting to force a television show off the air because of an incident that wasn't even screened is an excessive intrusion into the lives of Australians by moralising, preaching politicians.


The simple fact of the matter is that you cannot have one law for television and Big Brother and one law for the rest of us.

It is called Reality Television. Reality = Real Life.

So I would assume that if I watch a guy holding a woman down while his friend sexually assault her, I should be able to do the same without the law coming down on me.

This is what it is all about people!

We have impressionable teenagers watching this show and learning from it.

To make matter worse, it is being describe "As a joke gone wrong".

Which means that every teenager is going to believe that it is perfectly alright to do this as a joke.

How long before we see someone in court for performing this little joke?



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Attempting to force a television show off the air because of an incident that wasn't even screened is an excessive intrusion into the lives of Australians by moralising, preaching politicians."

I agree with that



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Which means that every teenager is going to believe that it is perfectly alright to do this as a joke.


Not every teenager! Everyone I know thinks its gross!



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This from what I posted in the BB06 thread..

"My 21 year old son find the entire 'Incident' disgusting. As I do also. I don't care if Camilla was taking it all in fun. When did it become okay to show your penis in mixed company and even rub it on someone's face. Excuse me, where are their manners? Please tell me that not every girl is accepting of this behaviour. It, to me, is childish and immature. The fact that Camilla was accepting of this behaviour and wrote it off as a 'bit of fun' truly makes me angry. My estimation of her has gone down to zero now because she has no  self respect if she thinks that kind of thing, even amongst 'friends', is tolerable. There is such peer pressure these days to participate in same sex kissing, and experimenting and apparently having some blokes private parts slapped in your face. What is society and the younger generation coming to?"
AND from another post

"IMHO, I think Camilla, if she truly thought it was Okay for what happened in the 'incident' to happen, then she too should of been removed from the house. She allowed it and as far as I am concerned she is one third to blame. If she does win BB06 it will be a sad indictment on what society deems as a worthy winner. Shame shame shame!"





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