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Paula
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The majority might also be silent until they become extremists at the beck and call of radical leaders who tell them what to think, do and who to get rid of...


and that may also never happen, nor is extremism reserved for the world of Islam.  Anyone who purports that is simply ignorant.


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and that may also never happen, nor is extremism reserved for the world of Islam.  Anyone who purports that is simply ignorant.


Extremism is the domain of all cultures who aspire to spread their borders to neighbouring countries. Mr Bush is viewed as an extremist too.  

The PR problem Islam has is that the pictues of ordinary citizens of the Sudan taking to the streets in protest and calling for the firing squad death of a teacher over the 'Teddy Bear' incident last week. The leaders of that rabble are and were not extremists but ordinary people who have been fired up to feel aggrieved by the hard liners who always stay in the background, pushing others to do their dirty work.  Christendom had the same PR problems back in WW1 and WW2.





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Christendom had the same PR problems back in WW1 and WW2.


I rest my case.


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The majority might also be silent until they become extremists at the beck and call of radical leaders who tell them what to think, do and who to get rid of. We need to hear their voices shouting condemnation of what the radical leaders spout. *so far so silent*



I too am waiting for the day. Maybe they are condemning it but we cant hear over all the apologists.


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and that may also never happen, nor is extremism reserved for the world of Islam.  Anyone who purports that is simply ignorant.


Nobody is denying that.  



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I too am waiting for the day. Maybe they are condemning it but we cant hear over all the apologists.



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Nobody is denying that.  


Thank you  TPO!. . at least you quoted (and understood) my entire comment.    



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... at least you quoted (and understood) my entire comment...



I understood your entire comment.  There was no need to quote it all, though.


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Albeit long winded this article is a shinning example of the inefficiencies and defunct like nature of the UN. It is consumed with personal agenda and ruled by kleptocrats. You will notice in the article Libya is chairing a conference on anti racism. This is second only in its oxymoron status to the time Zimbabwe chaired a conference on human rights. A gradual erosion of credibility in the UN has reached a point now where it is impossible to take them seriously any more.

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Canada: U.N. Anti-Racism Conference a 'Gong Show' of Hatred, Bigotry
By Terry Trippany | January 28, 2008 - 15:33 ET

The mainstream media turned a deaf ear to Canada's conservative government as they withdrew support for a United Nations led anti-racism conference on charges that the conference itself is a "a systematic promotion of hatred and bigotry". One Canadian official called the U.N. Durban II conference a "gong show" as Ottawa withdrew all support in protest of the escalating rhetoric against Israel. This of course comes as no surprise considering that the United Nations, in all its limited wisdom, elected Libya to chair the conference, Cuba as the vice chair and named Iran to the organizing committee.

    The so-called Durban II conference “has gone completely off the rails” and Canada wants no part of it, said Jason Kenney, secretary of state for multiculturalism and Canadian identity.

    “Canada is interested in combatting racism, not promoting it,” Mr. Kenney told The Canadian Press. “We'll attend any conference that is opposed to racism and intolerance, not those that actually promote racism and intolerance.

    “Our considered judgment, having participated in the preparatory meetings, was that we were set for a replay of Durban I. And Canada has no intention of lending its good name and resources to such a systematic promotion of hatred and bigotry.”

Not one mainstream media newspaper outlet bothered to cover Canada's walk out with any in depth analysis despite this being an election year where foreign policy in the Middle East, the politics of race and racism and the war against radical Islam are key issues. Instead most outlets deferred to the brief feeds of the AP, Reuters and the AFP to provide scant mention. The New York Times managed to miss the story altogether; feed or otherwise.

Notable events that escaped the scrutiny of the majority of the selectively scrutinizing members of the news media:

    * The next two key preparatory meetings have been scheduled on the Jewish holidays of Passover and Yom Kippur. This is a deliberate move by organizers to prevent Israeli officials from participating.
    * Iran has been named to the organizing committee despite statements from Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad that repeatedly calls for the destruction of Israel.
    * The U.N. Human Rights Council was created to reform the United Nations Commission on Human Rights yet 14 of it's 15 resolutions charging human-rights violations were against Israel according to statements by Canada.
    * The United Nations held its first World Conference Against Racism in Durban way back in 2001. That conference was marred by anti-Semitic bigotry that eventually led the United States Israel to walk out of the conference. Some non-governmental organizations had been reported to have posted pro-Hitler posters yet each of the non-governmental organizations that were invited to the 2001 conference have been invited back to Durban II.

The most complete accounting I could find came from the Canadian Press as found in the Globe and Mail.

    The 2001 World Conference Against Racism in Durban turned into “a circus of intolerance,” Mr. Kenney said.

    One government official on Wednesday called the conference “a gong show.”

    Arab and Muslim countries ganged up in their criticisms of Israel. Israel and the United States walked out in protest; the Liberal government of the day remained in an effort to decry the attacks.

    With Libya elected to chair the next gathering, Cuba appointed vice-chair and rapporteur, and anti-Israel rhetoric and actions building, Mr. Kenney said his government was left with no choice but to abandon the preparatory process for the followup meeting.

    B'nai Brith Canada applauded the government, saying Durban I “degenerated into a hate-fest directed at Israel and the Jewish delegates attending the conference.”

    The group's executive vice-president, Frank Dimant, said Ottawa has acted “clearly and decisively by refusing to participate in a venue that pays lip service to anti-racism but in fact provides a platform for the promotion of hatred and bigotry.”

    Mr. Kenney noted important preparatory meetings have been called on Jewish high holidays, preventing Israeli officials from participating.

    The UN gave planning oversight for the conference to its Human Rights Council, which has targeted Israel in 14 of its 15 resolutions charging human-rights violations in its first two years of existence.

    “We've tried to influence it so that we would not revisit the overt expressions of hatred which came out of the original conference,” said Mr. Kenney. “But we unfortunately ran into a brick wall.

    “The process has been hijacked by those who would seek to replay the terrible experience of the first Durban conference.”

    Iran was named to the organizing committee, Mr. Kenney noted.

    “This is a country whose government has publicly expressed its desire to eliminate the only Jewish country in the world,” he said.

    Furthermore, all of the non-governmental organizations invited to the first conference have been invited back to the second, including those that were at the “forefront of the hatred,” some of which posted pro-Hitler posters at the 2001 gathering.

The statements by the Canadian government are damning indeed. They come at a time when liberal Democrats are calling for U.S. law to be diluted by international standards. These standards would no doubt be influenced by the same world wide bodies that allow human rights abusers and state sponsors of racism and terrorism to prop up their anti-Semitic views with the legitimacy of world governments behind them. That news is as important today as it should have been in the not so distant past when such actions were ignored to the detriment of millions who died to prevent this from ever happening again





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Do you have a link for that TPO?  

It is not clear which news source this account is from .  



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Do you have a link for that TPO?  

It is not clear which news source this account is from .  



oops.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/t.....-show-hatred-bigotry


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The Iran / Israeli conflict IS a thorn in the side of UN officials.

Tonights news (Wed 30th) is that Iranian President has said he wants 'Filthy Zionists' gone.  

Partial quote from linked item:
" I advise you to abandon the filthy Zionist entity which has reached the end of the line,'' Mr Ahmadinejad today told world powers in a speech in the southern city of Bushehr carried live on the state television"

http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23133989-2,00.html?from=public_rss

Does he expect that Israelis are just going to say . ."OK then . . he wants us to go . . so we will move out" . . NOT LIKELY.  

The UN will become much more serious in its work when it truly fears it will become redundant through non-success.  It will grow teeth when it sees a way to shut the warring parties down . . and the way is becoming more evident by the day.  As a political entity itself, it will advocate political answers . . but see religion as the culprit of all crime (rightly or wrongly) and move to shut it all down.  The religious card has been played in the linked debate already as the Jews see the dates of conferences for peace listed as occuring on their main religious holidays . . that will be a stir they can't ignore.


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That image is of a gay pride thing. WHY would you bash people for that? Annoying, maybe, but OMFG



THE head of next year's Eurovision Song Contest in Moscow has moved to explain why he had said 'no' to helping organisers of a gay pride march in the city timed to coincide with Eurovision.

A series of claims has since appeared on websites across Europe suggesting boss Svante Stockselius said 'no' to becoming involved, but in an exclusive interview with the Manchester Evening News, he said that he had no intention of becoming embroiled in the political agendas of other organisations.

The controversy was sparked after gay pride organisers decided to hold a march in Moscow next May, which occurs on the day of the Eurovision Song Contest final.

The announcement of the march came days after Eurovision dates were announced by the European Broadcasting Union, and are likely to have been engineered by gay pride organisers as a head on challenge to the capital's Mayor Yuri Luzjkov, who has refused to sanction previous marches, which he is alleged to have described as 'satanic'.

The previous marches resulted in violence from extreme right wing factions on participants, who claimed police stood by while thugs attacked them.

The Eurovision Song Contest is well known to have a large gay following from across Europe, and undoubtedly pride organisers in Moscow were hoping to use blanket of Eurovision as an attempt to kick start future marches in the city.

In a recent interview with Mr Stockselius, Nikolai Alekseev, the head of the Russian Pride organisation QX claimed Eurovision boss Svante Stockselius had said: "The other project you are referring to (gay pride march) is in no way connected to the Eurovision Song Contest (and) I do not see any possibilities for us to get involved".

Mr Stockselius told the M.E.N. "There has been a lot of misunderstandings and misquotes.
"We are just now, again, starting the huge task of organising the biggest TV entertainment shows in Europe. Any other event, not connected to the Eurovision Song Contest, must take care of their own business.

"We are, as every year, discussing possible security circumstances with the host broadcaster and the authorities in each host country and among many other things we also demand a security guarantee for the delegations, journalists and fans that will arrive to our event.

"We are also used to the fact that other parties (commercially, interests etc) are trying to connect their own purposes with the Eurovison Song Contest in order to get coverage and promotion in the media."

I would argue that Stockselius's efforts to get guarantees of safety for fans will ultimately assist the marchers of any planned event

After all the last thing the Russian authorities want are images of people being attacked because of their gender being beamed across the world.


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US Lawmakers battle to save bailout deal
September 27, 2008 - 7:55AM


US lawmakers have grappled to set aside political divisions and the distractions of the White House race to hammer out a $US700 billion ($A839.53 billion) Wall Street bailout and reassure jittery markets.

Regrouping after fractious late night talks, the Senate's Democratic majority leader, Harry Reid, vowed Congress would stay in session, and not adjourn as planned on Friday ahead of the November 4 elections, until the unprecedented economic package is agreed.

But stock markets, nervously watching the protracted week-long congressional talks, took another battering as investors remained unconvinced by pledges that a deal was in the works from lawmakers and President George W Bush.

Bush early on Friday urged all sides to work together, after convening talks on Thursday at the White House where a putative deal collapsed in the face of the revolt from his own party in Congress.

"The legislative process is sometimes not very pretty, but we are going to get a package passed. We will rise to the occasion, Republicans and Democrats will come together and pass a substantial rescue plan," Bush said in a televised statement.

Reid vowed lawmakers would work through the weekend to try to put something in place before markets open again on Monday.

"We're going to get this done and stay in session as long as it takes to get it done. We'll work with the president, modify his plan to make it better for taxpayers and homeowners," he said.

He added there was no reason why a deal could not be reached before Monday, as four lawmakers - two from each party representing the House and the Senate - were left to handle the nitty-gritty of the negotiations.

Reid blamed the Republicans for delaying tactics.

A deal was almost there on Thursday "and then guess who came to town", Reid told reporters after Republican White House hopeful John McCain had dashed back to Washington, putting his campaign on hold to take part in crisis talks.

"The insertion of presidential politics has not been helpful. It's been harmful," the Democrat said.

Senior Republicans, however, defended McCain's role as they presented a rival package designed to take the burden off taxpayers and put it back on private investors.

"I think McCain's role has been entirely constructive. He's had suggestions. We're taking these into account and we are going forward," said Senate minority leader Mitch McConnell.

The McCain campaign said there had been no deal until the Arizona senator arrived in Washington to bring lawmakers together, and that now he was optimistic that there had been significant progress.

"Both parties in both houses of Congress and the administration needed to come together to find a solution that would deserve the trust of the American people," the campaign said in a statement.

"And while there were attempts to do that, much of yesterday (Thursday) was spent fighting over who would get the credit for a deal and who would get the blame for failure."

McCain later headed for the first presidential debate of the US general elections in Oxford, Mississippi, against Democratic White House hopeful Barack Obama.

Overnight there was more bad news for the economy as the savings and loan giant Washington Mutual collapsed, closed by the government and sold to JPMorgan Chase for $US1.9 billion ($A2.28 billion), the largest bank failure in US history.

The new Republican plan proposes that the government set up an expanded insurance system financed by banks to rescue individual home mortgages, so that taxpayers do not have to fund the bailout.

In a letter to Democratic House of Representatives Speaker Nancy Pelosi, House Republican leader John Boehner said the alternative proposal "reflects the core free-market, pro-taxpayer principles of our party".

But Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve chairman Ben Bernanke have already rejected the insurance plan as unworkable, and say only the government has the clout to execute the system-wide rescue.

© 2008 AFP

http://news.smh.com.au/world/us-lawmakers-battle-to-save-bailout-deal-20080927-4p1c.html

Queen to ask for more money to run Buckingham Palace  
Rebecca English
September 27, 2008 12:00am


QUEEN Elizabeth II plans to ask the UK Government for more money to run her household after being hit by rising costs, officials have confirmed.

Like homeowners across Britain, the monarch has faced escalating prices for fuel, food and home repairs.

These have seen the cost of maintaining her position as head of state almost double.

But her taxpayer-funded Civil List payment of 7.9 million pounds  has not increased in 20 years - and is not due to be renegotiated until 2010.

The shortfall has left what has been described as a "black hole" in Buckingham Palace's accounts of several million pounds each year and led to claims that the Queen will be unable to balance her books if she is not awarded extra funding within the next three years.

Senior officials have firmly denied the Queen is facing a "cash crisis" but confirmed this week that they would have to ask for an increase in Civil List funding.

A royal spokeswoman said there was nothing that could "remotely be described as a black hole in the books" and rejected the claim the Queen would face ruin without government intervention.

"We are never complacent, but we have managed our finances well and are ahead of the game at this point," she said. "When the time comes we will, of course, be hoping for an increase - after all, there are few people in the country who haven't had a pay rise for 20 years."

Officials said the Queen's accountants had squirrelled away 35 million pounds for a rainy day. Although this is down to 26 million pounds, aides claim there is enough in the pot to "draw down from" until they are able to re-negotiate their government hand-out.

"Like so many we have been hit by rising costs, but fortunately our reserves adequately cover the extra expenditure we are now facing," a Buckingham Palace spokesman said.

"We will have enough money to keep going until we can open negotiations about a new Civil List payment."

The Queen receives the majority of her funding through the Civil List as well as "grants in aid" for the upkeep of palaces and travel. She also benefits from a portfolio of investments managed by the Duchy of Lancaster.

About 70 per cent of her Civil List revenue is spent on staff salaries. The rest goes on entertaining.
The current figure of 7.9 million pounds  a year was agreed in 1990 and Tony Blair's government refused to sanction an increase 10 years later.

The Treasury would not be drawn yesterday on whether the payment would be increased.

Whitehall sources privately argue, however, that there is simply not enough money to go round.

It is also understood that the Queen's Keeper of the Privy Purse, Sir Alan Reid, has asked the Government for VAT exemption on payment for services such as building works in line with government departments.

Two senior MPs who sit on the Public Accounts Committee insisted they had no sympathy for the Queen's plight and called for the Royal Household's accounts to be publicly audited in the same way as government departments.

http://www.news.com.au/couriermail/story/0,23739,24407222-952,00.html

From Main Street to Skid Row
September 27, 2008

When the piper of gloom demands repayment for excesses, the American dream turns to a nightmare, writes Gerard Wright.

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M ark Ancona is an environmental remediation specialist, a bloke who tears things down - carefully. A couple of months ago, he drove into a lush and relatively isolated area in Palm Beach County, Florida, to inspect a warehouse his company was contracted to demolish.

When Ancona entered the dilapidated, long-abandoned warehouse - its windows broken, the roof sagged and leaking - he was confronted by a parable of modern America. Thirty people - seven families - were living in the dankness. One man, in his mid-30s, told Ancona: "Six months ago, I was buying $5 coffees at Starbucks. Now I'm tearing pages off the Yellow Pages to use as toilet paper."

The poor have always been among us. In Los Angeles, 90,000 downtown homeless are an everyday sight. What is different now is the sudden poverty washing over what was once the middle class, the bedrock of the US economy and the very embodiment of the American dream. Last-resort cheap motel rooms; lies to educators so that children get to stay at the chosen school by subverting the strict residency rules.

Welcome to the new America, the land of buy now, pay later, where the size 32 belt must now fit the size 40 waist that never knew anything but good times, easy money, and abundant choice - the NINA loan (no income-no asset), the pick-a-payment mortgage, where you decided the size of the first instalment. It's not just an implosion of Wall Street banks and insurance companies, but a sudden unravelling of lives. "This is an American nightmare," says a Democrat congressman, Keith Ellison. Seven million American mortgagors face foreclosure. Another five million have no equity in their homes, or owe more than their homes are worth. Fifteen per cent of Americans - 46 million people - are without health insurance. Personal bankruptcies are up by 47 per cent in a year.

FO MORE....

http://www.smh.com.au/news/wor.....ullpage#contentSwap1

Down and out in London
September 27, 2008


World focus may be on the US financial meltdown but Britain is taking a hit, too. Robert Wainwright and Paola Totaro report from London.

It was evening, Black Monday September 15, and the financial world was reeling over the news of Lehman Brothers' collapse. Damien Hirst, the enfant terrible turned billionaire of the British art world, was ensconced in the exclusive Groucho Club, playing snooker with a couple of mates. At the club - one of London's best-known haunts of the creative and the filthy rich - Hirst was seen stepping away regularly from his group, which included Rolling Stones guitarist Ronnie Wood.

Trademark geek glasses squared firmly on his nose, Hirst spoke intently into his mobile phone as barely a kilometre away in Mayfair the first of 223 lots of his work went under the auctioneer's hammer at Sotheby's.

That night, London witnessed a bath of such extraordinary excess that it is bound to enter the annals of the City's economic and cultural history.

Amid front-page headlines of Lehman's collapse and the inevitable spread of the economic meltdown from the US to Europe, London also awoke to the news that Hirst's work had yielded a staggering £111 million ($245 million) for 218 pieces, among them his signature butterflies and dot works.

The most expensive ones bore the most telling titles - The Golden Calf, The Kingdom and Fragments of Paradise - and Oh S hit, which fetched £2.3 million and featured a Merrill Lynch employee suspended in a tank of formaldehyde.


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